2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2452924 2-Apr-2020 13:20

Fred99:Not displaying US stats for me either.

US totals now are 213,282 cases, 4982 deaths.
So far today, 24,738 new cases, 943 new deaths.

At some point in the near future, I'd expect the US systems collating case data to fall over. For now it's probably just a glitch.

As at 1st April @ 2353 USA time

United States

Coronavirus Cases:
214,639

Deaths:
5,099

Recovered:
8,878

EDIT: added link

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2452966 2-Apr-2020 14:02

FineWine:
Oh to be young and stupid again - NOT

28 Texas Students Have Coronavirus After Spring Break Trip

A group of about 70 students from the University of Texas at Austin celebrated spring break in Mexico, but returned to find that 28 had tested positive. Dozens more are being monitored.

I don't know. I guess it's sort of a moral question. Should young people have to put their lives on hold so some 84 year old can live to be 86. That's essentially what is happening here with COVID19. I see both arguements.

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#2452972 2-Apr-2020 14:12

dogstar001:

I don't know. I guess it's sort of a moral question. Should young people have to put their lives on hold so some 84 year old can live to be 86. That's essentially what is happening here with COVID19. I see both arguements.

This kills people of ALL ages. As a medical person said in a previous post, in their country a lot of the hospitalizations that are coming in are males under 60. Young people can be the big spreaders and are the most infected, which is why the PM is targeting them, and they tend to be more mobile.

I also hate to see what would have happened if we hadn't closed our schools when we did, based on the cluster are one school..

Pandemics have to be controlled.

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#2452973 2-Apr-2020 14:14

dogstar001:

I don't know. I guess it's sort of a moral question. Should young people have to put their lives on hold so some 84 year old can live to be 86. That's essentially what is happening here with COVID19. I see both arguements.

It's Darwinian. Should young people put their lives on hold so that their parents don't die.

If I were infected by my deliberately careless child, who do you think is the first person to be removed from my will?

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#2452974 2-Apr-2020 14:15

dogstar001:

I don't know. I guess it's sort of a moral question. Should young people have to put their lives on hold so some 84 year old can live to be 86. That's essentially what is happening here with COVID19. I see both arguements.

I've often called out the very unfair distributive (in)justice burdens that the grey generation and boomers have lumped upon the young as a result of their own behaviours and social policy choices but the above is just misguided. A wide spread infection even amongst the young and relatively healthy will still likely lead to health care system impacts that are very hard to manage. And for heaven's sake, in NZ's context, the curtailment of freedoms is pretty minor even if, for the sake of the argument only, overwhelmingly or only the grey generation benefits. We are talking about people avoiding becoming (potentially) desperately ill or even dead. People won't die if they can't party or gallivant around for giggles for a while.

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#2452976 2-Apr-2020 14:17

mattwnz: This kills people of ALL ages. ...

ABC News - Risk for severe COVID-19 increases with each decade of age

02 April

Age is a key risk factor for coronavirus, researchers found.

A study published this week in the journal The Lancet examined data from individuals who tested positive for COVID-19 in 38 countries and found that risk of death from the disease rose with each decade of age.

The death rate among those who were sickened by the disease was roughly 0.03% for people in their 20s; 0.08% for people in their 30s; 0.16% for people in their 40s; 0.6% for people in their 50s; 1.9% for people in their 60s; 4.3% for people in their 70s; and 7.8% for people 80 years old and older ...

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#2452978 2-Apr-2020 14:24

gchiu:

It's Darwinian. Should young people put their lives on hold so that their parents don't die.

If I were infected by my deliberately careless child, who do you think is the first person to be removed from my will?

Amen to that.

But this assumes that you live long enough to revise your will, and that your lawyer is still alive and working during the shutdown. 😕

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#2452980 2-Apr-2020 14:25

mattwnz:

Pandemics have to be controlled.

This one particularly - as it's not likely to "fizzle out" with "herd immunity", and as an endemic disease that does kill a lot of old people, maybe young people who cynically underestimate the potential for it to harm them, should consider that with calls for increasing retirement age to 70, but a possible post-covid life expectancy of 65, then it won't give them much look forward to. Nor if it's a seasonal illness that stuffs your lungs for life and/or may cause other permanent harm - the virus can and does infect internal organs.

Expectations that we'll have an effective vaccine soon or that the virus will mutate to far less severe strain quickly - are wildly optimistic.

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#2452981 2-Apr-2020 14:28

Love the discrepancies between the above two sites

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#2452982 2-Apr-2020 14:32

Fred99:

Nor if it's a seasonal illness that stuffs your lungs for life and/or may cause other permanent harm - the virus can and does infect internal organs.

Expectations that we'll have an effective vaccine soon or that the virus will mutate to far less severe strain quickly - are wildly optimistic.

I think this is also a thing that hasn't been discussed much in the media. Is there any data on the permanent effects and damage that even a mild case can do to you?. I did read that contracting it reduces life expectancy by a year, which I am guessing is an estimated average. But not sure if the damage is less in a mild case, vs a severe case.

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#2452988 2-Apr-2020 14:36

frankv: The obvious question for Pastor Rodney Howard Browne is what these machines are and where can we get them? I mean, 13 machines in a congregation of 4,000. That's mighty impressive. Hugely impressive, even. And how come the authorities haven't installed these machines at airports?
I think it's pretty clear, sadly, that this guy is another genius who knows more about virology than the CDC. Bigly.

If the disease could be limited to him and his followers, I'd welcome this as a Darwinism. Sadly, a whole lot of innocent and intelligent people will die because of these morons.

It's been speculated the "machine" are ozone generators. A company US called "Sharper Image" made a bunch of dubious claims regarding "Ion breeze" / "negative ion generators".

First they lost a large class action lawsuit, then they lost a libel suit against "Consumer Affairs", and declared bankruptcy.

Unfortunately the claims that ozone generators improve indoor air quality still hang around, including New Zealand companies that are happy to sell you one.

I've informed the Commerce Commision about a company in New Zealand called "NaturalOzone" / "Ozone Solutions NZ " / Kim Saxton:

To prevent the further spreading of the new coronavirus it is prudent to disinfect public spaces whether or not they are showing signs of having been infected or not. More than 17 scientific studies show ozone gas has been proven to destroy the SARS coronavirus (Ed: no source given of course)and since the structure of the new 2019-nCoV coronavirus is almost identical to that of the SARS coronavirus, it can be inferred that its likely it will also work on the new coronavirus with the caveat that there are no studies to date except one currently ongoing in China at the Institute of Virology In Hubei.

I suspect at best, ozone would cause virus to stick to surfaces, at worst it would irritate the lungs and potentially make the virus job easier.

See 4 Reasons You Should NEVER Use An Ozone Generator to Clean Your Indoor Air

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#2452989 2-Apr-2020 14:39

What really brought the magnitude of the crisis home:

It's not included! Oh the humanity!

I've tried re-reading last year's catalogue, but it's just not the same.

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#2452993 2-Apr-2020 14:46

dogstar001

I don't know. I guess it's sort of a moral question. Should young people have to put their lives on hold so some 84 year old can live to be 86. That's essentially what is happening here with COVID19. I see both arguements.

Let me paraphrase that for you. 'Should young people have to forgo a few parties so that they don't end up killing a bunch of people?'

And you can see both arguments?

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#2452994 2-Apr-2020 14:46

This is an interesting table that was posted on twitter. Apparently around 30% of cases shown no symptoms, but they are still contagious . But it made me think. Up until NZ put in it's mandatory 14 day self isolation in place for all travelers, people could fly back to NZ from other counties, including Australia which did have cases and suspicion of CT, and they did not need to go into self isolation. I wonder how many of these CTs in NZ have been spread by that 30% who never showed symptoms?

Also if the testing is not reliable on people who don't show symptoms, then how do we even detect this 30%?

I can see this level 4 lockdown is really the only way to eliminate it, as it does also stop that 30% spreading it. But it needs everyone to do it. Most other countries seem to be using self isolation as a method to flatten the curve, to allow their health systems to cope with the demand, so it is spread over a longer period of time. But we need to use it to eliminate it, especailly heading into winter.

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#2453036 2-Apr-2020 14:52

mattwnz:

This is an interesting table that was posted on twitter. Apparently around 30% of cases shown no symptoms, but they are still contagious . But it made me think. Up until NZ put in it's mandatory 14 day self isolation in place for all travelers, people could fly back to NZ from other counties, including Australia which did have cases and suspicion of CT, and they did not need to go into self isolation. I wonder how many of these CTs in NZ have been spread by that 30% who never showed symptoms?

Also if the testing is not reliable on people who don't show symptoms, then how do we even detect this 30%?

I can see this level 4 lockdown is really the only way to elinimiate it, as it does also stop that 30% spreading it. But it needs everyone to do it.

They didn't include the 15% mortality from the sever cases in the graph like they did for critical cases.

Also, are those 15% of severe case who died not put into ICU or ventilated?

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