2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2454078 3-Apr-2020 21:04

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👍 Well done - we'll welcome them (with a small little easter-quarantine ;-) and sent your kiwi buddy's safely back.

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#2454087 3-Apr-2020 21:26

kingdragonfly: From what I'm hearing today, most have moved beyond "masks may protect healthy wearer from the virus" to "masks may protect others from the potentially infected wearer."

As I understand it, if someone's already infected even a bandana captures many of the droplets being exhaled.

I've heard at least some grocery stores in Los Angeles hand you a mask just for this purpose: to protect the food and others from you.

As mentioned frequently in this thread, virus will slip through most masks, either because their fabric is not fine enough, or the masks is ill-fitting, mishandled, or not being replaced frequently enough.

I seen a chinese supermarket today that required all customers to be wearing masks, took customer details, and limited the number of customers at any one time. I'ill keep the store anonymous in case someone complains it is 'profiteering', but it makes a mockery of the concepts that only allowing the big supermarkets to open is somehow safer.

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#2454090 3-Apr-2020 21:30

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Geektastic: I was somewhat astonished to read this

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322374

It appears we have practicing GPs losing their jobs in the middle of all this. Surely they can be redeployed elsewhere?

Im sure than can be but where? Right now we are not being overwhelmed by the virus. The bigger question is why are GP practices becoming non viable?

True. Daughter is a nurse at Christchurch Public and is currently being asked to take annual leave because they are over staffed.

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#2454092 3-Apr-2020 21:39

debo:
I seen a chinese supermarket today that required all customers to be wearing masks, took customer details, and limited the number of customers at any one time. I'ill keep the store anonymous in case someone complains it is 'profiteering', but it makes a mockery of the concepts that only allowing the big supermarkets to open is somehow safer.

If you’re talking about the one in New Lynn, Auckland, this was widely reported in the news after everyone complained on Facebook about having to wear masks and gloves or no entry.

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#2454093 3-Apr-2020 21:44

Newest stats of our city-state Hamburg formerly blamed as "Germany's Corona hotspot" but (up to now) performing quite well due to well disciplined inhabitants. It should be noted, that our FREE city limits have NOT been closed for the surrounding counties as others did.

Stats as of today: Known 2557 of 1.842 Mill. inhabitants infected in total, but 1023 already recovered! 16 fatalities, 45 ICUs in use

We started with a doubling rate for new infections after each 3 days, now we are at 10 days and try to push further to 12 or more days. Then we should perform well to stay away from our ICU limits. We still encourage the inhabitants to stick on the discipline which will need to be continued like this for a long time. There are many claims from an economy standpoint but stats clearly show that decisions will be made on short term base. I'd suggest to expect at least 3 month from now and another 6 month (if not more) to recover to something to be called "normal".

And it will look very different from what we knew up to now. Even the biggest global player companies suffer a lot and struggle with all the dependencies a globalization has evolved. I don't like to judge anything but "change" (to improve) will be a major word for the next years to come - for everybody (feel free to include yourself or not - I do). And my concerns is Africa to come next ...

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#2454096 3-Apr-2020 21:52

Tinkerisk:

Newest stats of our city-state Hamburg formerly blamed as "Germany's Corona hotspot" but (up to now) performing quite well due to well disciplined inhabitants. It should be noted, that our FREE city limits have NOT been closed for the surrounding counties as others did.

Stats as of today: Known 2557 of 1.842 Mill. inhabitants infected in total, but 1023 already recovered! 16 fatalities, 45 ICUs in use

We started with a doubling rate for new infections after each 3 days, now we are at 10 days and try to push further to 12 or more days. Then we should perform well to stay away from our ICU limits. We still encourage the inhabitants to stick on the discipline which will need to be continued like this for a long time. There are many claims from an economy standpoint but stats clearly show that decisions will be made on short term base. I'd suggest to expect at least 3 month from now and another 6 month (if not more) to recover to something to be called "normal".

And it will look very different from what we knew up to now. Even the biggest global player companies suffer a lot and struggle with all the dependencies a globalization has evolved. I don't like to judge anything but "change" (to improve) will be a major word for the next years to come - for everybody (feel free to include yourself or not - I do). And my concerns is Africa to come next ...

Germans are very well behaved. In some parts of Germany, it's illegal to mow your lawn on a Sunday!

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#2454103 3-Apr-2020 22:20

singapore effectively to be shutting down. live feed on “CNA” on youtube currently. they’re calling it "enhanced safe distancing"

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#2454110 3-Apr-2020 22:49

Batman:
they’re calling it "enhanced safe distancing"

Typical, geeks have been doing it for years and getting mocked for it - anti-social distancing - and now all of a sudden it's trendy when you call it social distancing.

Next thing it'll be fashionable to debate emacs vs. vi and bash systemd.

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#2454112 3-Apr-2020 23:01

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I don't know. I guess it's sort of a moral question. Should young people have to put their lives on hold so some 84 year old can live to be 86. That's essentially what is happening here with COVID19. I see both arguements.

The fallacy of that argument is that it's not just 84 year olds dying, young people are too.

Is it too much to ask, for the betterment of the community as a whole, for those with most of their life still in front of them to put their lives on hold for what in the big scheme of things isn't that long ? I don't think so.

i think what he’s trying to say is (not sure, have to ask the poster, though came out very badly worded!) if you look at sweden, they are not shutting down as according to the decision makers, shutting the economy is worse than the virus disease. i think that’s what is being said. article is from telegraph.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120805778/coronavirus-to-swedes-its-the-rest-of-the-world-engaging-in-a-reckless-experiment

edit - or maybe he was referring to this? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12322047

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#2454114 3-Apr-2020 23:10

Batman:
if you look at sweden, they are not shutting down as according to the decision makers, shutting the economy is worse than the virus disease.

Brazil isn't shutting down either, Bolsonaro has made the same argument. The US has only just gone into something resembling a real lockdown and they're already the worst-hit country in the world, with (at least) two weeks to go before they peak. Brazil is going to be a catastrophe that'll make the US pale in comparison, despite Trump's best efforts to make the US #1.

I can't see things going well in Sweden, despite the partial/voluntary lockdown that's in effect there.

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#2454115 3-Apr-2020 23:11

neb:
Batman:

if you look at sweden, they are not shutting down as according to the decision makers, shutting the economy is worse than the virus disease.

Brazil isn't shutting down either, Bolsonaro has made the same argument. The US has only just gone into something resembling a real lockdown and they're already the worst-hit country in the world, with (at least) two weeks to go before they peak. Brazil is going to be a catastrophe that'll make the US pale in comparison, despite Trump's best efforts to make the US #1. I can't see things going well in Sweden, despite the partial/voluntary lockdown that's in effect there.

i agree. i looked at all the graphs, everybody is on exponential. some faster some slower but the same destination. just how you choose to get there.

but, maybe the poster was referring to this! https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12322047

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#2454122 3-Apr-2020 23:57

Batman:

i think what he’s trying to say is (not sure, have to ask the poster, though came out very badly worded!) if you look at sweden, they are not shutting down as according to the decision makers, shutting the economy is worse than the virus disease. i think that’s what is being said. article is from telegraph.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120805778/coronavirus-to-swedes-its-the-rest-of-the-world-engaging-in-a-reckless-experiment

edit - or maybe he was referring to this? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12322047

Sweden's cases don't look good. NZ is different because we went into lockdown before CT cases started getting bad, so we do have the chance to eliminate and stamp it out, and I don't think there are many other countries in that position.

Sweden just appears to be flattening the curve, but that doesn't mean they won't go into lockdown in the future, especially if a second and third wave hit. . It depends on how good their health system is, as many countries that at working at flattening the curve, are about getting the cases down to a level that their health system can cope with,. Sweden makes ventilators too, which they export, so they are lucky in that respect https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-getinge-ventilator/swedens-getinge-to-deliver-500-ventilators-to-italy-as-demand-rockets-idUSKBN2133NL

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#2454142 4-Apr-2020 00:50

mattwnz:
Sweden just appears to be flattening the curve, but that doesn't mean they won't go into lockdown in the future, especially if a second and third wave hit.

Sweden is also a bit special in that social distancing was the norm there long before Covid19 :-).

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#2454144 4-Apr-2020 04:31

And in LA:
A locomotive engineer has been charged with 'train wrecking' after he intentionally derailed a train at full speed towards the Navy hospital ship Mercy.

The train smashed through a barrier at the end of the tracks then through several more obstacles, including steel barriers and chain-link fences, slid through a parking lot and a gravel storage compound, before stopping 250 yards short of the ship.

When arrested, Eduardo Moreno said "he was suspicious of the Mercy and believed it had an alternative purpose related to a government takeover"

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#2454145 4-Apr-2020 05:36

Sweden's curve still looks exponential. It's going to become increasingly harder to practice social distancing as the case load increases. And then it will race off.

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