2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2454812 5-Apr-2020 09:51

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Many on Geekzone run their own businesses.

How have your property companies been in this crisis ?

Reaching out to offer rent holiday while your building is locked down and limited or no access ?

Or reaching out to push you off the cliff with reminder of rent demands ?

I can tell you that IWG is most certainly still holding out their hands for rent. Scentre Group is apparently being more reasonable about the whole situation.

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#2454813 5-Apr-2020 09:52

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disagree. local tourism is a big thing. and with big discounts, making it affordable to those who were priced out by inflated prices, easter = big fun for whole country.

Agree on that. IIRC local tourism is quite a but bigger than international. Read that just the other day. While the operators won't be able to charge Hawaii tourist season prices, they will be able to generate revenue, if they charge Kiwi prices. And they would/should get a lot of traction on that. 7 day package to Fiordland including the boat trip, free round of golf, Im in.

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#2454818 5-Apr-2020 09:57

iamaelephant:

The WHO no longer has a single shred of credibility. They need to keep their mouths shut and focus their efforts and resources on distributing help where needed. And after this is over we need to take a very serious look at whether WHO should continue to exist at all.

Totally agree. When this was in the early stages, the WHO, the Chinese ambassador and our own universities were all pressuring the government to keep our borders open and to allow the influx of overseas students from places including China. Total clowns.

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#2454819 5-Apr-2020 10:02

debo:

tdgeek:

No. The rules have strengthened. Yes if you have plans, we trust you, what's wrong wth that? We are trusting the other 4.7 million. If you are happy both the lockdown you must be ok with passengers being part of that. You might say that they are a higher risk. Correct. Do we quarantine all those infected with COVID-19? No. Stay home.

We could have told Kiwis overseas to come home sooner. Either way we still import the same risk. Earlier we didn't have empty hotels so nowhere to quarantine them.

Wrong. There is no use of GPS enabled apps in NZ. The police are not checking that they are where they claim to be. Nothing has been strengthened. It is these people that are bring the virus into the country and spreading it to everyone else. It's IIRC 82% overseas sourced, 1% CT and 17% unknown. Until the government wakes up and realises this then we can never leave lockdown.

Whats wrong with monitoring returning citizens? It is not like they are having their privacy invaded. They have already disclosed where they will be staying. Their privacy is only invaded if they break isolation. I have no issue with this. It will help with contact tracing.

I find it bizarre that turning on the mobile GPS tracking is voluntary in New Zealand for people arriving from overseas. In some countries it's mandatory.

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#2454820 5-Apr-2020 10:03

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Wrong. There is no use of GPS enabled apps in NZ. The police are not checking that they are where they claim to be. Nothing has been strengthened. It is these people that are bring the virus into the country and spreading it to everyone else. It's IIRC 82% overseas sourced, 1% CT and 17% unknown. Until the government wakes up and realises this then we can never leave lockdown.

Whats wrong with monitoring returning citizens? It is not like they are having their privacy invaded. They have already disclosed where they will be staying. Their privacy is only invaded if they break isolation. I have no issue with this. It will help with contact tracing.

Yes the Police could have done better. But it has been strengthened, people get sent to hotels etc. Should we monitor existing citizens to the same degree? They are much more unreliable. Or as many have suggested, we lock the border Jan 26 and leave them stranded. Its only now we have empty hotels to house them in. The bottom line is we let Kiwis come home or we don't. Early on we had no way to house them all somewhere. Why use a GPS enabled app? The phone isnt welded to the body. An ankle bracelet is but is that viable? Are returning Kiwis that unreliable?

We had to bring them home, yes there were loose ends at times, we had to suck that up. They are home now, CT isnt running rampant. We are now doubling and tripling testing, and we doing have to use tests on thousands of returning Kiwis anymore, thats now barely 300 a day.

Looked after our fellow Kiwis, CT is not rampant, job done.

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#2454821 5-Apr-2020 10:04

US has now exceeded 300,000 cases.

Wasn't too far out my projections back on 22 Mar (#2443463). At the time Worldometers had them down as having ~19,000 cases (20 Mar figure).

"Within ~7 days there will likely be over 100,000 cases" = on or before 29 March vs actual = 104,126 cases on 27 March.

"And 10 days from now it could be approaching 300,000 or more, ..." = approaching 300k on 1 April vs actual = 277,161 (3 Apr), 306,997+ (3 Apr Worldometers day still has ~2 hrs to go)

OK, 2 days out in 10 for a factor 15+ increase in cases perhaps not quite a pass but ...

On a more serious note, the US one day increase reported (Worldometers) for 3 April was 330,472. That is about the same as the corresponding total for Italy, Spain, Germany, France, UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, and Portugal combined (32,241). Combined population of those countries ~363m vs US ~330 m, so they are now about on par.

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#2454822 5-Apr-2020 10:05

Dial111:

Not sure why my comment was deleted as it was not political in any way, I merely said I was happy with the job the PM has done so far, is that not allowed?

Probably not. There has been a lot of brickbats here, but it wouldn't be consistent to just allow bouquets. Perhaps that is why.

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#2454825 5-Apr-2020 10:09

tdgeek:

Agree on that. IIRC local tourism is quite a but bigger than international. Read that just the other day. While the operators won't be able to charge Hawaii tourist season prices, they will be able to generate revenue, if they charge Kiwi prices. And they would/should get a lot of traction on that. 7 day package to Fiordland including the boat trip, free round of golf, Im in.

Maybe this could be a resurgence for kiwi tourism for kiwis. We've had quite a few NZ holidays over the last 2-3 years and I've loved every one, but some of the prices charged are eye-watering. We did a jetboat/kayak day out last year and it was well over $1k for a family of four - a very memorable day but not something to do every other week. I'd happily go to Fiordland/Queenstown/Marlborough Sounds every year, I'm hoping this may have blown over to extent by the July holidays.

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#2454829 5-Apr-2020 10:14

Tinkerisk:

We gave them loads of masks when needed the most and in return we can now buy scraps that have become scarce! We will remember it. Those who have friends like that don't need enemies.

You should not be denigrating a big population of people as though it's some big, monolithic group. Feel free to be angry about the situation but don't be a dick.

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#2454832 5-Apr-2020 10:20

tdgeek:

Should we monitor existing citizens to the same degree? They are much more unreliable.

You've made this point multiple times but I don't believe you're asking in good faith. But in case you've missed the blindingly obvious, kiwis returning from overseas are overwhelmingly more likely to have the virus. As is borne out in stats you yourself have quoted several times.

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#2454834 5-Apr-2020 10:23

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debo:Wrong. There is no use of GPS enabled apps in NZ. The police are not checking that they are where they claim to be. Nothing has been strengthened. It is these people that are bring the virus into the country and spreading it to everyone else. It's IIRC 82% overseas sourced, 1% CT and 17% unknown. Until the government wakes up and realises this then we can never leave lockdown.

Whats wrong with monitoring returning citizens? It is not like they are having their privacy invaded. They have already disclosed where they will be staying. Their privacy is only invaded if they break isolation. I have no issue with this. It will help with contact tracing.

Yes the Police could have done better. But it has been strengthened, people get sent to hotels etc. Should we monitor existing citizens to the same degree? They are much more unreliable. Or as many have suggested, we lock the border Jan 26 and leave them stranded. Its only now we have empty hotels to house them in. The bottom line is we let Kiwis come home or we don't. Early on we had no way to house them all somewhere. Why use a GPS enabled app? The phone isnt welded to the body. An ankle bracelet is but is that viable? Are returning Kiwis that unreliable?

We had to bring them home, yes there were loose ends at times, we had to suck that up. They are home now, CT isnt running rampant. We are now doubling and tripling testing, and we doing have to use tests on thousands of returning Kiwis anymore, thats now barely 300 a day.

Looked after our fellow Kiwis, CT is not rampant, job done.

The phone isnt welded to the body: The app they are using overseas can video call to ensure you are not leaving the phone at home while you are out infecting others. If you fail the test you get collected and taken to a government enforced hotel lockdown.

Should we monitor existing citizens to the same degree? returning kiwis are thousands of times more likely to have the virus compared to any other random kiwi.

Are returning Kiwis that unreliable? If the virus is cleared from NZ then returning Kiwis is the only way to get a reinfection.

I think it would be better if you asked "why not" rather than "why".

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#2454836 5-Apr-2020 10:30

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tdgeek:

Should we monitor existing citizens to the same degree? They are much more unreliable.

You've made this point multiple times but I don't believe you're asking in good faith. But in case you've missed the blindingly obvious, kiwis returning from overseas are overwhelmingly more likely to have the virus. As is borne out in stats you yourself have quoted several times.

I am blindlingly aware of that. Blindingly, but thanks for the upskill. Existing citizens that have the virus, which is 950, less 127 recovered, have the virus. They are in lockdown. Do we need to quarantine them? They are in the same lockdown as you and I and any Kiwis that arrived at the airport. This 823 has a higher risk than a sample 823 travellers disembarking aircraft, as the 823 are 100% infected, the 823 sample travellers, a percentage will be.

So no, that doesn't stand up. Not unless we transport all the 823 known infections to a quarantine facility, so that we are protected o the same lines as your suggestion for the travellers.

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#2454837 5-Apr-2020 10:30

Man arrested after filming himself coughing on fellow shoppers

I hope they throw the book at this total moron. I can't believe how forking stupid some people are.

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#2454841 5-Apr-2020 10:36

debo:

The phone isnt welded to the body: The app they are using overseas can video call to ensure you are not leaving the phone at home while you are out infecting others. If you fail the test you get collected and taken to a government enforced hotel lockdown.

Should we monitor existing citizens to the same degree? returning kiwis are thousands of times more likely to have the virus compared to any other random kiwi.

Are returning Kiwis that unreliable? If the virus is cleared from NZ then returning Kiwis is the only way to get a reinfection.

I think it would be better if you asked "why not" rather than "why".

My recent post covers this. I understand what you are saying and I dont disagree, but you need to draw a line. We could not possibly manage the thousands per day arriving, in any other way. Now we can as its literally bugger all. Thats its very low now, they become high hanging fruit

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#2454842 5-Apr-2020 10:37

tdgeek:

I am blindlingly aware of that. Blindingly, but thanks for the upskill. Existing citizens that have the virus, which is 950, less 127 recovered, have the virus. They are in lockdown. Do we need to quarantine them? They are in the same lockdown as you and I and any Kiwis that arrived at the airport. This 823 has a higher risk than a sample 823 travellers disembarking aircraft, as the 823 are 100% infected, the 823 sample travellers, a percentage will be.

So no, that doesn't stand up. Not unless we transport all the 823 known infections to a quarantine facility, so that we are protected o the same lines as your suggestion for the travellers.

You didn't ask if we should monitor existing positive cases as closely as incoming travelers (we absolutely should). You asked if we should monitor "existing citizens". So no, I guess you're not asking in good faith.

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