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Paul1977
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  #2466493 20-Apr-2020 17:47
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Batman:

 

my biggest concern is the unlinked cases one in whanganui and one in timaru. this suggests the virus is still around "in the wild". we need to play whack-a-mole for the foreseeable future.

 

 

That's my other concern... that a move to level 3 too early will mean staying in level 3 for much longer.

 

Everyone needs to be extra vigilant.




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  #2466497 20-Apr-2020 17:51
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"we need to play whack-a-mole for the foreseeable future"

 

Indeed this is exactly the only realistic strategy until there is a reliable vaccine hence the need for testing of the slightest symptoms and fast contact tracing through levels 3, 2 and 1.  If we are lucky there may be no new cases in a few months time but there is always a small risk of importing it again hence vigilance and fast reactions to suppress any spread.


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  #2466501 20-Apr-2020 17:54
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Paul1977:

 

Batman:

 

my biggest concern is the unlinked cases one in whanganui and one in timaru. this suggests the virus is still around "in the wild". we need to play whack-a-mole for the foreseeable future.

 

 

That's my other concern... that a move to level 3 too early will mean staying in level 3 for much longer.

 

Everyone needs to be extra vigilant.

 

 

other than locking every single human in their homes (ie no essential activity or work) and no flights from anywhere no cargo from anywhere, no i don't think staying in level 4 for longer would change anything other than bankrupt everyone.




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  #2466505 20-Apr-2020 18:02
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vexxxboy:     i think if they found 1-2 they would be worried and we would still be at level 4             

 

Would wthey?  If they were finding community spread at this level then that is very good news.  The only possible explanation for such a high asymptomatic to positive case ratio would be if there is a mutated non-harmful variant on the virus spreading around. 


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  #2466508 20-Apr-2020 18:08
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I think that delaying the end of lockdown till after ANZAC Day was very sensible; any longer and I doubt that people would be able to handle it and things may get out of control.
Like many, I am worried that with more people potentially able to mix, bubbles will get bigger and many people will do some stupid things just because "it wasn't clear"

 

I don't see Level 3 ending in two weeks time though .. I predict after a week of Level 3, something will have happened to make us go back into Level 4 (something at either a workplace or school)

 

I am however looking forward to being able to get a coffee again...


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  #2466510 20-Apr-2020 18:08
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One News just said that we will be in knockdown for another 5 days, thats a poor thing to tell people. We are in lockdown in L3. Sends the wrong message. 


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  #2466511 20-Apr-2020 18:10
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Batman:

 

other than locking every single human in their homes (ie no essential activity or work) and no flights from anywhere no cargo from anywhere, no i don't think staying in level 4 for longer would change anything other than bankrupt everyone.

 

 

It's hard to say, and we'll never know.

 

The important thing now is that people follow the guidelines around social distancing and hygiene. I hope to see very aggressive campaigning over the next week explain what is (and isn't) allowed under Level 3.

 

I suppose that people who flout the rules under Level 3 would have been flouting them under Level 4 as well. It will just be harder to police it under Level 3.


 
 
 

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  #2466512 20-Apr-2020 18:11
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tdgeek:

 

One News just said that we will be in knockdown for another 5 days, thats a poor thing to tell people. We are in lockdown in L3. Sends the wrong message. 

 

 

I was thinking the same thing myself.


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  #2466514 20-Apr-2020 18:14
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Paul1977:

 

The important thing now is that people follow the guidelines around social distancing and hygiene. I hope to see very aggressive campaigning over the next week explain what is (and isn't) allowed under Level 3.

 

I suppose that people who flout the rules under Level 3 would have been flouting them under Level 4 as well. It will just be harder to police it under Level 3.

 

 

 

 

We need fines like those in Australia and Singapore, not the current multiple warnings and "please" 


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  #2466515 20-Apr-2020 18:16
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Paul1977:

 

Batman:

 

other than locking every single human in their homes (ie no essential activity or work) and no flights from anywhere no cargo from anywhere, no i don't think staying in level 4 for longer would change anything other than bankrupt everyone.

 

 

It's hard to say, and we'll never know.

 

The important thing now is that people follow the guidelines around social distancing and hygiene. I hope to see very aggressive campaigning over the next week explain what is (and isn't) allowed under Level 3.

 

I suppose that people who flout the rules under Level 3 would have been flouting them under Level 4 as well. It will just be harder to police it under Level 3.

 

 

i hope they look to Taiwan and South Korea. they are in the equivalent of our level 2? and have similar number of cases (uncorrected for population)? 

 

do what they do, learn from Singapore.

 

it's an evolving scenario, there is no one size fits all.

 

the important thing is to be proactive not reactive.

 

easy to say, hard to do.


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  #2466518 20-Apr-2020 18:29
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frednz:

 

mattwnz:

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121123513/coronavirus-modelling-expert-says-lockdown-should-be-extended-two-weeks?cid=app-android

The problem I see with going into level 3 with the current number of daily cases we are now getting is that because there is no evidence it has been eliminated yet, and the potential infection rate under level 3 being higher than level 4 , we won't be able to actually eliminate it.

 

Professor Shaun Hendry said in the above article:

 

"I'd prefer us to stay in level four for longer.  We know how well level four is working - the answer is very well. We are just so close to eliminating it."

 

The Government's elimination strategy doesn't necessarily mean eradication, but instead a suppression of the virus so fully that any cases that appear could be easily managed.

 

I think great care is needed in using the term "elimination". Note how Professor Hendry introduced two more terms in the sentence above, "eradication" and "suppression".

 

So, we are told that the term "elimination" doesn't necessarily mean "eradication". Fair enough, but I would prefer the term "suppression" of the virus to be used if this is the most likely outcome that NZ experts consider is relevant.

 

 

 

 

Further to my post above, the PM in today's 4pm announcement gave some clarification of how the Government views the term "elimination". The PM said this:

 

"Elimination doesn't mean zero cases, it means zero tolerance for cases, it means when a case emerges, and it will, we test, we contact trace, we isolate, and we do that every single time with the ambition that when we see covid we eliminate it. That is how we will keep our transmission rate under "one" and it is how we will keep succeeding."

 

So, the Government is pointing out to journalists around the world that NZ's interpretation of the term elimination doesn't mean zero cases. I'm pleased the PM gave this clarification because many people are of the view that it's far too early yet to know whether this virus can in fact be completely "eliminated".

 

For example, consider this article:

 

https://fortune.com/2020/04/18/new-zealand-jacinda-ardern-eliminate-coronavirus/

 

From the above:

 

“We have the opportunity to do something no other country has achieved -- elimination of the virus,” Ardern told reporters Thursday in Wellington, as she cautioned against relaxing restrictions too quickly.

 

The island nation’s lofty goal of elimination is not without critics, who say it’s unrealistic and comes at a devastating economic cost.

 

So, perhaps today's clarification of how it views the term "elimination" may moderate the way overseas writers view our "lofty goal".


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  #2466519 20-Apr-2020 18:29
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Thee announcement today is what many of us here predicted. Interesting that TV One News went from the press conference to Professor Michael Baker for his thoughts. His research areas include infectious disease epidemiology and pandemic influenza and how it can be contained, and he was one who had called for NZ about going into lockdown when we did, as delaying it would led to a significant increase in cases..

 

He said lockdown needed to be for another 2 weeks, and schools shouldn't open when in level 3. He also said that we need to do a lot more testing because we don't currently have the data. I agree with all he said. Especially around opening some  schools, which IMO is just mad, because you can't keep kids physically isolated from one another in a room, and there is so much we don't know about this virus and how it spreads.

 

The PM did say that the infection rate was at 0.48 while in lockdown. That will however rise under level 3. If it gets over 1, then cases will grow.  They were talking more about suppression than eradication, which IMO is a missed opportunity if that is the case and a risk of going back into level 4 if cases do increase. Hope that doesn't occur.


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  #2466520 20-Apr-2020 18:31
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tdgeek: One News just said that we will be in knockdown for another 5 days, thats a poor thing to tell people. We are in lockdown in L3. Sends the wrong message.  

 

Tv3 and RNZ are doing the same. The PM should clarify the terminology and critise these reporters.


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  #2466522 20-Apr-2020 18:31
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I've now heard the PM's remarks - a little frustrating to hear her say it costs us 'just two business days'. It's two business days if you're in a 9 - 5 white collar Mon-Fri role, but for retail and customer facing operations, it's four business days and a public holiday. New Zealand is not a country where everything shuts down on the weekend anymore.

 

Having said that, it's a pragmatic decision, but people will undoubtedly be taking the mickey this weekend. 


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  #2466532 20-Apr-2020 18:44
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mattwnz:

 

Thee announcement today is what many of us here predicted. Interesting that TV One News went from the press conference to Professor Michael Baker for his thoughts. His research areas include infectious disease epidemiology and pandemic influenza and how it can be contained, and he was one who had called for NZ about going into lockdown when we did, as delaying it would led to a significant increase in cases..

 

He said lockdown needed to be for another 2 weeks, and schools shouldn't open when in level 3. He also said that we need to do a lot more testing because we don't currently have the data. I agree with all he said. Especially around opening some  schools, which IMO is just mad, because you can't keep kids physically isolated from one another in a room, and there is so much we don't know about this virus and how it spreads.

 

The PM did say that the infection rate was at 0.48 while in lockdown. That will however rise under level 3. If it gets over 1, then cases will grow.  They were talking more about suppression than eradication, which IMO is a missed opportunity if that is the case and a risk of going back into level 4 if cases do increase. Hope that doesn't occur.

 

 

Schools is a hard one. It seems obvious to close them, but they said expert opinion here and overseas is that they are safe.. I reckon classes will be very small

 

Now, our testing is good according to him

 

Rise 0.48 to over 1? Because of workplaces and schools?

 

Suppression. Not quite. She said elimination isn't echoey last case, its about no tolerance so they see a case and want to stamp it out. Ultimately that leads to elimination, but the reality is that cases wont go away overnight. Sean Hendy is wrong when he says we could eliminate Covid-9 in 14 days. Rubbish. 

 

We will spend a good amount of time on the right side of the Bell Curve. Low cases for a good while. And thats a good result. Its here but its rare. Then maybe end of year, it's gone.


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