2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2508099 19-Jun-2020 13:46

mattwnz:
To be honest, these hotel IMO should be totally isolated from the NZ public. We are trusting our entire economy and potentially hundreds of billions of dollars on the virus not sneaking into the community, through these hotels.

Ex-Police Commissioner Mike Bush was & still is directly responsible for everything that happens at these Hotel/Quarantine facilities.
(He is responsible for managing them)
He is(&was) perfectly capable of stopping them from being used for any non-Covid event.
& it's his end responsibility to ensure no one is released without proper testing/clearance.

He has done a really crap job & seriously let the country down.
He needs to be fired and replaced with someone competent!
That is the head that must roll.

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#2508103 19-Jun-2020 13:47

Having said all that, if the politicians aren't going to do anything then someone has to get some action taken, and that role has traditionally been the media. What New Zealand has been doing since we came out of level 4, and what's apparently been obvious to everyone except the decision-makers, is quarantine theatre (from "security theatre"), an elaborate theatrical production designed to make it look like something is being done while actually not achieving much apart from showing the public that something is being done. If it's necessary to burn the theatre down to get some action then I'd rather have it done now than when we've got hundreds of untraced and untraceable cases throughout the community.

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#2508127 19-Jun-2020 13:58

neb: Having said all that, if the politicians aren't going to do anything then someone has to get some action taken, and that role has traditionally been the media. What New Zealand has been doing since we came out of level 4, and what's apparently been obvious to everyone except the decision-makers, is quarantine theatre (from "security theatre"), an elaborate theatrical production designed to make it look like something is being done while actually not achieving much apart from showing the public that something is being done. If it's necessary to burn the theatre down to get some action then I'd rather have it done now than when we've got hundreds of untraced and untraceable cases throughout the community.

My opinion is that those who manage quarantine, have the rules in place as to the expectations. They, for whatever reason cant make it secure. Military has been there for over a month, no change. Dr A and AC Digby do talk, so I have no idea how daily minglings and issues still happen. Its clear from what they say, that this is my role that is his role, talk to him. Thats not good enough. They need an auditor if MoH arent proactive and are not checking themselves. Or cannot, as PM appointed Police and not MoH it seems. Id like to know how much actual input MoH have in these centres, as they have official accountability on the pandemic, but seem out of the loop as regards these centres

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#2508128 19-Jun-2020 13:59

Who is this Woods person?

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#2508129 19-Jun-2020 14:02

neb: Having said all that, if the politicians aren't going to do anything then someone has to get some action taken, and that role has traditionally been the media. What New Zealand has been doing since we came out of level 4, and what's apparently been obvious to everyone except the decision-makers, is quarantine theatre (from "security theatre"), an elaborate theatrical production designed to make it look like something is being done while actually not achieving much apart from showing the public that something is being done. If it's necessary to burn the theatre down to get some action then I'd rather have it done now than when we've got hundreds of untraced and untraceable cases throughout the community.

Its being done. No one can leave except if 14 days is over

The tests that havent been done are being done

Because no one can manage the centres, an MP has been brought in to do that

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#2508130 19-Jun-2020 14:03

Geektastic:

Who is this Woods person?

My MP

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#2508134 19-Jun-2020 14:12

tdgeek:
Its being done. No one can leave except if 14 days is over

The tests that havent been done are being done

Except that people who have just arrived are mingling freely with people who are just about to be released, and there have been numerous reports of whole families being let out without anyone being tested. So it's quarantine theatre, not real quarantine.

As someone else pointed out some pages back, if Australia is picking up several cases each day at the border and we're finding zero, that's a lack of testing and not because we miraculously have zero cases turning up on incoming flights from infected countries.

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#2508141 19-Jun-2020 14:23

neb:
tdgeek:

Its being done. No one can leave except if 14 days is over

The tests that havent been done are being done

Except that people who have just arrived are mingling freely with people who are just about to be released, and there have been numerous reports of whole families being let out without anyone being tested. So it's quarantine theatre, not real quarantine. As someone else pointed out some pages back, if Australia is picking up several cases each day at the border and we're finding zero, that's a lack of testing and not because we miraculously have zero cases turning up on incoming flights from infected countries.

Which is why I posted "Because no one can manage the centres, an MP has been brought in to do that"

The announcement is on now are you not listening to it?

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#2508147 19-Jun-2020 14:32

tdgeek:

Which is why I posted "Because no one can manage the centres, an MP has been brought in to do that"

The announcement is on now are you not listening to it?

By MP do you mean NZ Military Police

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2508148 19-Jun-2020 14:32

Except that people who have just arrived are mingling freely with people who are just about to be released, and there have been numerous reports of whole families being let out without anyone being tested. So it's quarantine theatre, not real quarantine. As someone else pointed out some pages back, if Australia is picking up several cases each day at the border and we're finding zero, that's a lack of testing and not because we miraculously have zero cases turning up on incoming flights from infected countries.

good luck on that happening now , if people thought it was slack before it is going to go the other way now and i would think people in prison will have more freedom than people in an isolation hotel after today

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2508149 19-Jun-2020 14:36

FineWine:

tdgeek:

Which is why I posted "Because no one can manage the centres, an MP has been brought in to do that"

The announcement is on now are you not listening to it?

By MP do you mean NZ Military Police

Member of Parliament. Megan Woods

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#2508152 19-Jun-2020 14:42

tdgeek:

FineWine:

By MP do you mean NZ Military Police

Member of Parliament. Megan Woods

Even so NZ Military Police would bring discipline into managed isolation and quarantine 😎

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2508156 19-Jun-2020 14:47

FineWine:

Even so NZ Military Police would bring discipline into managed isolation and quarantine 😎

I would have thought so. But the Police is there, headed by a retired Commissioner, = no good. Military has been there for over a month, no good. Including the one appointed today. Maybe him and MP Woods will make a difference.

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#2508163 19-Jun-2020 14:58

Woods' response was excellent, us already in NZ worked hard for 5 weeks at level 4 to get us to here, the people arriving owe it to us to do the 2 weeks properly to earn their right to join the population.

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#2508264 19-Jun-2020 16:33

FineWine:

Even so NZ Military Police would bring discipline into managed isolation and quarantine 😎

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you've never had anything to do with the military police... calling them Keystone Kops would be an affront to Mack Sennett.

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