Two, both in quarantine. One likely from earlier this week and the other is a recent arrival from India. 

Why are we suddenly getting a far larger number of new cases. Are they proportional to the increased number returning, and the increasing infections worldwide?

Also shouldn't we be quarantining those people who are returning from covid hotspots who are more likely infected? Rather than just using managed isolation? eg arrivals from UK, US, and India etc

I see some were taken from Auckland to Rotorua , and these people were complaining because they weren't told prior to boarding the bus, they thought they would be taken to an Auckland hotel.

I wonder if there are now too many arriving for use to cope. Why are there suddenly so many people coming into NZ now? Keeping this virus at the border is going to be tough IMO.

We have spent 100+ billion o eliminate it successfully, and I just hope that wasn't a huge waste of our time and money, due to the management of these people coming into the country with the virus.

Handle9:

 

 

 

I think you are being conservative. Based on the experience we've had at work most people are, and remain asymptomatic.

 

The quarantine period should clear those incoming cases in NZ. The problem is who they mix with during that period.

mattwnz:

 

Why are we suddenly getting a far larger number of new cases. Are they proportional to the increased number returning, and the increasing infections worldwide?

 

Also shouldn't we be quarantining those people who are returning from covid hotspots who are more likely infected? Rather than just using managed isolation? eg arrivals from UK, US, and India etc

 

I see some were taken from Auckland to Rotorua , and these people were complaining because they weren't told prior to boarding the bus, they thought they would be taken to an Auckland hotel.

 

I wonder if there are now too many arriving for use to cope. Why are there suddenly so many people coming into NZ now? Keeping this virus at the border is going to be tough IMO.

 

We have spent 100+ billion o eliminate it successfully, and I just hope that wasn't a huge waste of our time and money, due to the management of these people coming into the country with the virus.

 

They are all returnees, so far, so that is inevitable.

I think our biggest problem now is it has not yet been made clear how many people (if any) were released from quarantine under the older relaxed process with minimal testing over what period of time.

Bloomfield does not see this as a concern but I am unsure if he is being given the full story about the gaps between the procedure vs. what actually happened. I'm not super-confident people would be upfront enough for him to measure this risk effectively.

Given we are all basically back to business-as-usual, few people are using contact-tracing and the lower number of tests in the wider community, I am concerned it may get enough of a head-start before we know it is there to become a problem again. 

mattwnz:

Why are we suddenly getting a far larger number of new cases. Are they proportional to the increased number returning, and the increasing infections worldwide?

Also shouldn't we be quarantining those people who are returning from covid hotspots who are more likely infected? Rather than just using managed isolation? eg arrivals from UK, US, and India etc

I see some were taken from Auckland to Rotorua , and these people were complaining because they weren't told prior to boarding the bus, they thought they would be taken to an Auckland hotel.

I wonder if there are now too many arriving for use to cope. Why are there suddenly so many people coming into NZ now? Keeping this virus at the border is going to be tough IMO.

We have spent 100+ billion o eliminate it successfully, and I just hope that wasn't a huge waste of our time and money, due to the management of these people coming into the country with the virus.

Batman:

 

maybe there is some "interesting" news that the media will beat up on so they need to get the details straight before it's torn to shreds by opposition MPs?

 

Indeed before the 2 new NZ cases on Tues, it seemed the media were running every story of those 'requiring' compassion from quarantine, next week the stories will be about the quarantine conditions being too strict! 😦

GV27:

 

mattwnz:

 

Why are we suddenly getting a far larger number of new cases. Are they proportional to the increased number returning, and the increasing infections worldwide?

 

Also shouldn't we be quarantining those people who are returning from covid hotspots who are more likely infected? Rather than just using managed isolation? eg arrivals from UK, US, and India etc

 

I see some were taken from Auckland to Rotorua , and these people were complaining because they weren't told prior to boarding the bus, they thought they would be taken to an Auckland hotel.

 

I wonder if there are now too many arriving for use to cope. Why are there suddenly so many people coming into NZ now? Keeping this virus at the border is going to be tough IMO.

 

We have spent 100+ billion o eliminate it successfully, and I just hope that wasn't a huge waste of our time and money, due to the management of these people coming into the country with the virus.

 

 

They are all returnees, so far, so that is inevitable.

 

I think our biggest problem now is it has not yet been made clear how many people (if any) were released from quarantine under the older relaxed process with minimal testing over what period of time.

 

Bloomfield does not see this as a concern but I am unsure if he is being given the full story about the gaps between the procedure vs. what actually happened. I'm not super-confident people would be upfront enough for him to measure this risk effectively.

 

Given we are all basically back to business-as-usual, few people are using contact-tracing and the lower number of tests in the wider community, I am concerned it may get enough of a head-start before we know it is there to become a problem again. 

 

Yes that is true. But why suddenly so many cases in just a few days? It has now got the stage we we are now expecting new cases coming in. I wonder if we shouldn't be looking at requiring self isolation before they fly, in addition to the 14 days in NZ. They require this for people flying to pacific islands already, to reduce the risk.  I now don't think NZ is safe enough for a pacific bubble, beucase we don't know what effects these issues at the border have had yet.

Agree about concerns with NZs current relaxed situation, and the virus then getting a head start. The situation in the community IMO doesn't reflect the situation occurring at managed isolation, where we are still relying on people to do the right thing. It should be taken out of peoples hands, as we can't trust our economy on people returning, some who just want to get home.

This is also an interesting story, where Trump wants them to slow down testing to reduce the number of cases in the US :/.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300039181/trump-has-an-idea-for-reducing-covid19-cases-dont-test-as-much

On the controversial topic of mask wearing or not:

Social Darwinism = If you die I don't care, I just want my beer & burger (Dr Murtaza Akhter - ER Doctor Phoenix Arizona)

xlinknz:

 

Batman:

 

maybe there is some "interesting" news that the media will beat up on so they need to get the details straight before it's torn to shreds by opposition MPs?

 

 

Indeed before the 2 new NZ cases on Tues, it seemed the media were running every story of those 'requiring' compassion from quarantine, next week the stories will be about the quarantine conditions being too strict! 😦

 

 

 

Same with the bubbles we must have, Level 4 is too long etc.

mattwnz:

 

 

 

Yes that is true. But why suddenly so many cases in just a few days? It has now got the stage we we are now expecting new cases coming in. I wonder if we shouldn't be looking at requiring self isolation before they fly, in addition to the 14 days in NZ. They require this for people flying to pacific islands already, to reduce the risk.  I now don't think NZ is safe enough for a pacific bubble, beucase we don't know what effects these issues at the border have had yet.

 

Agree about concerns with NZs current relaxed situation, and the virus then getting a head start. The situation in the community IMO doesn't reflect the situation occurring at managed isolation, where we are still relying on people to do the right thing. It should be taken out of peoples hands, as we can't trust our economy on people returning, some who just want to get home.

 

 

 

This is also an interesting story, where Trump wants them to slow down testing to reduce the number of cases in the US :/.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300039181/trump-has-an-idea-for-reducing-covid19-cases-dont-test-as-much

 

Returnees so inevitable as was said, but these are from hotspots, UK, India, Pakistan, was that common earlier when more were probably from Oz?  I imagine flights from these areas were harder to obtain that from Oz.

mattwnz:

 

But why suddenly so many cases in just a few days? It has now got the stage we we are now expecting new cases coming in. I wonder if we shouldn't be looking at requiring self isolation before they fly, in addition to the 14 days in NZ. They require this for people flying to pacific islands already, to reduce the risk.  I now don't think NZ is safe enough for a pacific bubble, beucase we don't know what effects these issues at the border have had yet.

 

 

 

News today say 290 coming in tomorrow and 590 Tuesday. Emirates is starting shortly. Clearly, Level 1 has ramped up Kiwis coming home. Expected.

I wonder what level of sentinel testing is going on at the moment.