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#2509416 22-Jun-2020 07:42

GV27:
It doesn't make you super optimistic, does it.

Trouble is this covid problems only show up a month a two later without testing. Hopefully we are testing both ALL the community as well as ALL the incomings.

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#2509419 22-Jun-2020 07:45

GV27:

It doesn't make you super optimistic, does it.

What would make you feel more optimistic? There are 900 arriving today and tomorrow, turn them back? They found a new case, locked down the hotel, is that not enough?

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#2509420 22-Jun-2020 07:47

Batman:
GV27:

It doesn't make you super optimistic, does it.

Trouble is this covid problems only show up a month a two later without testing. Hopefully we are testing both ALL the community as well as ALL the incomings.

All the incomings are tested, as you know. As long as they are secure within the centres, thats what matters

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#2509433 22-Jun-2020 08:40

I hope they start referring to the new cluster in quarantine as 'Cluster F'.... cause that's what it is :)

kingdragonfly:

If I was in charge, they'd be in 15 warehouses on military bases, with guarded doors and gates.

Each day new arrivals would be placed in a new warehouse, based on a rotating schedule.

If you were infected, you'll be pulled from the general population, and put into a hospital warehouse.

YES! I agree

I'm not a complete idiot, I still have some parts missing.

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#2509442 22-Jun-2020 09:01

tdgeek:

GV27:

It doesn't make you super optimistic, does it.

What would make you feel more optimistic? There are 900 arriving today and tomorrow, turn them back? They found a new case, locked down the hotel, is that not enough?

I have no issues with the arrivals that will be subjected to an actual process.

I'm worried about the ones who slipped through our fingers already, or the ones that might do so because someone is pressuring someone else to cut a corner, or the DG's expectations and what he is being told don't line-up and no one wants to come clean.

They can quarantine them in the Hilton in Queenstown for all I care - as long as the process they say they are following is actually happening, and as long as we can find the cases that have fallen through the cracks in the last few weeks. Because there will have been at least one.

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#2509446 22-Jun-2020 09:08

tdgeek:

All the incomings are tested, as you know. As long as they are secure within the centres, thats what matters

Actually no , testing is still NOT happening.
Heard on the radio from a guy in lockdown, complaining that he still hasnt been tested. Despite the procedure being testing at day3 , that didnt happen .

I still think theres something going on we dont know about, possibly not enough staff or testing kits to do the testing as required by the lockdown produres. ??

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#2509450 22-Jun-2020 09:12

GV27:

I have no issues with the arrivals that will be subjected to an actual process.

I'm worried about the ones who slipped through our fingers already, or the ones that might do so because someone is pressuring someone else to cut a corner, or the DG's expectations and what he is being told don't line-up and no one wants to come clean.

They can quarantine them in the Hilton in Queenstown for all I care - as long as the process they say they are following is actually happening, and as long as we can find the cases that have fallen through the cracks in the last few weeks. Because there will have been at least one.

I'm confident they will tidy up the security. Given the failures since the Police have been involved, the Military have now taken over with MP Woods. The military have already been involved and AC Webb has been there a month and we still had failures. So it comes down to MP Woods to make a difference. What I find odd is that this is all MoH's issue, yet they seem to be locked out. PM appoints the Police to manage the centres, PM appoints AC Webb to npw manage the centres, so Im unsure what pull, if any, that MoH actually has. Its time for the PM to say who failed

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#2509461 22-Jun-2020 09:24

mattwnz:

Why are we moving people who are part way through isolation, and then mixing them with other people who are at various stages of isolation? It is just maddness IMO if true. I hope it is not Level 2 or 3, here we come.

Workmates are getting accommodation cancelled in Akl...

Basically, looks like AKL is full. And as that is the major inbound hub. We are now seeing the overflow. They are taking over other hotels as quick as they can as a result or moving them around the country.

Sudima chc has now converted the back yard into a fenced exercised area. And more to follow I suspect

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#2509463 22-Jun-2020 09:36

tdgeek:

Its time for the PM to say who failed

Funny you mention this, from NZ Herald:

On Newstalk ZB today, Ardern could not say how many people had left hotels untested, before protocols were tightened last week. She said the Ministry of Health was still working through the number.

"The most important thing is the 14 days in isolation," she told Hosking. "The 14 days is the most cautious approach. Belts and braces are testing. Fourteen days is how you can be assured if you are symptom free that you are safe."

But we were told the safest bet was to wait two full cycles before we moved down levels. I'm curious to see why this is different for quarantine, especially when returnees had been mingling and procedures not followed.

There still seems to be some debate over whether asymptomatic people can spread the virus. If you are not tested, and you are asymptomatic when you go out in the community it seems that you can possibly spread it. So how can it be that suddenly so certain that being symptom-free on the 14th day is safe if you are not tested?

I don't think she can be that definitive about this when MOH is still working on who was released without being tested. We took a lot of precautions during lockdown to be on the safe side and now we seem to be letting it ride and relying on the odds falling in our favour. I don't get it.

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#2509471 22-Jun-2020 09:53

With people mixing even 14 days is not safe. Someone could pick it up from new arrival on day 13, how long from infection does it show in a test?

These hotels are turning into a cruise ship situation on land.

If they can’t handle the numbers they should reducing the amount of people into the country. They had their chance to return before lock down!

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#2509474 22-Jun-2020 09:54

On the MV Greg Mortimer, a covid-19 infected cruise ship returning from a trip to Antarctica, has found 81 percent of positive passengers had no symptoms
It is fact that Covid incubation can develop after 14 days although this is very rare

Therefore the only method to maintain the border control is the 14 day strict isolation AND test before exit it is not an option to have no test

If there are infected people released prior to last Tues then MoH tracing will be paramount once we get a community case

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#2509480 22-Jun-2020 10:02

xlinknz:

Therefore the only method to maintain the border control is the 14 day strict isolation AND test before exit it is not an option to have no test

If there are infected people released prior to last Tues then MoH tracing will be paramount once we get a community case

What's our current contract tracing capacity I wonder?

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#2509495 22-Jun-2020 10:38

sittingduckz:

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kingdragonfly: If I was in charge, they'd be in 15 warehouses on military bases, with guarded doors and gates.

Each day new arrivals would be placed in a new warehouse, based on a rotating schedule.

If you were infected, you'll be pulled from the general population, and put into a hospital warehouse.

YES! I agree

Simply separating by day of arrival will not work. That would result in spread throughout each batch of arrivals. Only separate isolation of asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic individuals regardless of arrival date will work (and then probably not in rare situations). Unless both already confirmed positive, even a couple isolated together will not ensure no transmission risk after 14 days as potentially one of them could be infected by the other part way through the 14 day period. Which makes it tricky where young children are involved as obviously they cannot be isolated separately from their parent(s). Potentially means an isolation bubble of 3 - 5 or more? What the procedure is in that situation? Sure, OK if all test negative at 3 and 12 days but if there are serial positive cases within the quarantine bubble presumably/hopefully the 14 day quarantine clock is reset if each time one of the family tests positive.

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#2509518 22-Jun-2020 10:48

One issue I have not seen discussion on is what the procedure will be if we do get new local cases (regardless of whether these are 'CT' or from close contacts).

Are infected people going to be placed under hospital or other managed care facilities as per HK, Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore et al, or are we going to have a replay of our lockdown period with drawn out serial intra bubble infections because infected people are isolated at home, etc?

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#2509519 22-Jun-2020 10:51

rugrat:

If they can’t handle the numbers they should reducing the amount of people into the country. They had their chance to return before lock down!

It isn't particularly nice to see people turning against their own countrymen. If you're an NZ citizen you have a right to come home.

I will stay in the UK while I have work over here, but if I lose that due to global recession or whatever. I'll be on the next flight to my homeland. Do you prefer I came back when lockdown started and gone on the dole?

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