2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2511967 25-Jun-2020 08:45

tdgeek:

Geez. How does get out of Level 4 after 2 weeks sound? Then quickly dump Level3 its killing our economy, then lets get to Level 1 now. Great, now we can enjoy the travel bubble we started a few weeks ago. We would be screwed as would the economy.

If you want to nit pick when every post is politically motivated thats fine, if you feel that someone else would have got everything perfect thats fine. No mater who ran this show it was and is tough. But we didnt open up the economy after 14 days nor the travel bubble a few weeks ago, so here we are, in a good place. Thats a fact.

I'm not doing that here - probably best served by the politics threads. I don't doubt the response itself will be a big part of the election and will probably need some sort of Royal Commission once we are on the other side of Covid19, given the number of ministries involved. That might the best place to examine who was given what advice at what stage, and what they did or did not do with it. I'd expect there to be some surprises in there.

Frankly I'm not sure what our current position is. If it is out there, we probably wouldn't be picking it up yet. But it is better to be in the position where it is possibly eliminated than it being definitely out there in the community, for sure.

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#2511969 25-Jun-2020 08:50

45 confirmed of probable cases on a single flight (Dubai to Hong Kong).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/121938607/coronavirus-flyers-are-hiding-covid-infections

Hopefully we are ready if we get that sort of volume of cases coming in here.

Some other countries are requiring people provide evidence of a recent negitive covid-19 test prior to boarding any inbound flight. This is something we could consider.

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#2511971 25-Jun-2020 08:51

Rikkitic:

People keep quibbling about this but we are still one of the few countries with low or no community transmission so our hopeless, incompetent, mendacious, fairyland government must have done something right. Sure, thousands of cases could suddenly erupt in a week or two. I doubt it.

The ones in charge have made mistakes and done things wrong. No question. But the big things they appear to have done right. I guess giving them any credit for that is just a bridge too far for some.

You'll notice that pretty much every other country that is in our category is an island nation. We're here because of our geographical isolation - and that we didnt wait any longer to close our borders. Our best effort was the proper quarantining of Wuhan arrivals at Whangaparoa. Its been all luck since then.

We've just been lucky despite the incompetence of the Government (late border closure (or failure to quarantine earlier), inadequate PPE, poor PPE policies (and communication), poor enforcement of breaches during lockdown), restricted testing, poor ability to trace, poor information collection (even now months after lockdown protocols started), poor quarantine processes and enforcement).

Bumbling our way through a crisis and congratulating ourselves for it - a bridge too far.

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#2511974 25-Jun-2020 08:54

GV27:

I'm not doing that here - probably best served by the politics threads. I don't doubt the response itself will be a big part of the election and will probably need some sort of Royal Commission once we are on the other side of Covid19, given the number of ministries involved. That might the best place to examine who was given what advice at what stage, and what they did or did not do with it. I'd expect there to be some surprises in there.

Frankly I'm not sure what our current position is. If it is out there, we probably wouldn't be picking it up yet. But it is better to be in the position where it is possibly eliminated than it being definitely out there in the community, for sure.

Your posts on the virus seem to me to be heavily based on politics. I recall someone else said that here recently.

I'd expect no surprises when we do the enquiry. Its been obvious what's been done right and when its gone wrong. Depends how much hindsight is expected :-)

I would not be surprised if there was a case here or there, they will be found, ring fenced, perhaps an area locked down for a period, this was always the scenario, from day one till this point. I would have thought we would see any stray cases though, most people will seek a test if they feel flu like, especially with the recent cases that some see as a problem.

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#2511988 25-Jun-2020 09:11

tdgeek:

Your posts on the virus seem to me to be heavily based on politics. I recall someone else said that here recently.

I make no apologies for questioning why the opposition's pitches get more scrutiny than the inconsistencies of the people actually in power and leading the response.

I do, however, try to keep the thread-derailing bits to the politics threads (at least in recent times).

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#2511989 25-Jun-2020 09:13

Scott3:

45 confirmed of probable cases on a single flight (Dubai to Hong Kong).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/121938607/coronavirus-flyers-are-hiding-covid-infections

No, that's not what the article says,

the quote is "It also said 45 passengers on Emirates flights from Dubai over the weekend "

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#2512010 25-Jun-2020 10:02

People "hiding" C-19 symptoms by taking antipyretic drugs when flying should be expected - the same happened with the SARS (1) airport screening.

Incredibly selfish and stupid - but there's a subset of humans who'll behave like that. Unfortunately I'd wager that the same type of person who'd cheat because of the "inconvenience" of a delay to their own travel would also talk-up circumstances when applying for compassionate exemption from quarantine.

OTOH measuring temperature is nearly useless for C-19 screening. Even though most people will develop a fever, not having a fever is no guarantee that the person isn't infected and at risk of spreading the disease.

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#2512018 25-Jun-2020 10:08

There is also the general problems of large gatherings, touching of surfaces, and physical proximity, at somewhere like an airport. They might not be sick before they walk into the airport and get on the plane, but they might well be when they get off in New Zealand. This makes testing them on arrival really critical, maliciously hiding their infection or not.

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#2512020 25-Jun-2020 10:09

And once again there are mixed messages over testing:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121926274/coronavirus-as-queues-grow-its-now-harder-to-get-a-covid19-test

Minister and DGH say "At a press conference on Wednesday, Bloomfield encouraged everyone with symptoms to be tested, while in a press release issued on Tuesday, Clark said: “The Ministry will also make clear to DHBs the Government’s expectation that there will continue to be a low bar to meet to obtain a Covid-19 test."

And the Ministry of Health says otherwise. When you get irrational fear and mistrust causing people to get tested for sniffles - and overrun the testing system - then the Ministry changes the rules - again.

Its just Keystone Cops every single day.

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#2512022 25-Jun-2020 10:16

Wander4821: There is also the general problems of large gatherings, touching of surfaces, and physical proximity, at somewhere like an airport. They might not be sick before they walk into the airport and get on the plane, but they might well be when they get off in New Zealand. This makes testing them on arrival really critical, maliciously hiding their infection or not.

This is the reason it is important to test on DAY 3 of quarantine (and NOT on DAY 1).
It take 2-3 days to establish enough virus loading to be reliably picked up by a nasal swab.

(I really wish we required a clear test (within 3 days) before departing overseas country. (I'd even be happy for NZ to pay for it via overseas consulates)

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#2512026 25-Jun-2020 10:19

Still better than the US. I could have had a minor version of it and never known. They have a high bar for tests here that excludes people who just want to be tested and have no symptoms. Then there is Trump's latest rally speech where he says he wants to slow down and limit testing to lower the figures. Though, that the Ministry of Health in NZ is playing games around testing and the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing, is in the words of Casablanca, "Shocking!".

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#2512028 25-Jun-2020 10:21

Victoria requests 1,000 ADF forces to try to stem outbreaks of C-19 linked to quarantine centres in Melbourne:

The request came after concerns were raised about infection control standards at more than a dozen quarantine hotels where returned travellers are detained for 14 days upon arrival.
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At least 33 contractors employed at the hotels have been infected while working, and coronavirus infections have spread outside hotels to the family members of staff, contributing to the state's spike in community transmissions.

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#2512034 25-Jun-2020 10:28

ockel:

And once again there are mixed messages over testing:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121926274/coronavirus-as-queues-grow-its-now-harder-to-get-a-covid19-test

Minister and DGH say "At a press conference on Wednesday, Bloomfield encouraged everyone with symptoms to be tested, while in a press release issued on Tuesday, Clark said: “The Ministry will also make clear to DHBs the Government’s expectation that there will continue to be a low bar to meet to obtain a Covid-19 test."

And the Ministry of Health says otherwise. When you get irrational fear and mistrust causing people to get tested for sniffles - and overrun the testing system - then the Ministry changes the rules - again.

Its just Keystone Cops every single day.

Granted the messaging isn't great, but testing everyone who rolls up with a runny nose is simply a waste of time and resources.. and people with other health needs will suffer as a result....

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#2512035 25-Jun-2020 10:28

I see on the John Hopkins dashboard,
That new daily confirmed cases are increasing at a faster rate than trendline (this is even in spite of a directive from POTUS that they 'slow down the testing' ), so reality could be even worse.

Basic logic would suggest that if it is increasing faster than previous trendline - that it is still 'out of control' in the majority of countries.

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#2512042 25-Jun-2020 10:42

Meanwhile, received a Fedex box yesterday - all the way from Ohio. Surprised it took it four days to get from USA to NZ. The box is in the laundry and I won't open/use the contents until the weekend...

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