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#2521648 13-Jul-2020 08:55

If anyone needed some friendly encouragement to pass on to log their own/others movements.. here's some

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12347495

Approx 71 people. In 60 seconds. (and asymptomatic).

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#2521650 13-Jul-2020 09:01

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I'm not sure what your complaint is. Should the media only tell stories that support the governments actions?

Nothing to do with that.

My complain is that the law is clear on who is eligible to enter the country. People on work visa are not in the same category as permanent residents or citizens. Visas still exist and don't automatically give you entrance as the border officer still can deny you entry. In the current situation visa holder don't even get to get on the plane anymore. And the media keeps pumping those sob stories about people who can't get into the country.

Well, they can't because the borders are closed. The mainstream media will keep pushing sob stories because that sells pageviews but at some point a politician or another will start making noise... Remember up unitl recently someone or another kept pushing a "bubble with Australia".

Until things are clear in terms of health status for at least some countries there is no reason for anyone to keep pushing sob stories into the papers.

Sure, they may have a position in mentioning these cases - they are not even odd case as there are probably thousands of work visa holders who can't enter the country now, and thousands who will have to leave the country (as per my link above, which as I mentioned hasn't been seem by the media otherwise we would have seen headlines like "Thousands to be expelled from New Zealand" instead of "Thousands expected to leave the country."

So, no they don't have to tell stories that support the government actions only, but finding the odd case to make it a "oh, look at this family, what is happening to them because they can't come in" and making it look like it's a government decision because for some reason the government don't want them when in fact it's a government decision to keep whoever is already in healthy. Unless the family wanted to come here as refugees, which is not the case.

Back to your question, I don't know why you think I would have implied "Should the media only tell stories that support the governments (sic) actions" when I did no such thing.

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#2521652 13-Jul-2020 09:03

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so let me get this straight - as of last week we are kicking out non residents and sending them home?!

You got it wrong. No one seems to be rounding up visa overstayers. Legally they have no reason to stay here and should leave. This is no different than visa rules were, except that for a while visas were extended but now is back to business as usual.

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#2521654 13-Jul-2020 09:08

kingdragonfly:

She had wanted to show Republican party Governor Ducey that the more than 2,000 Arizonans who have lost their lives to the new coronavirus are not just numbers.

“They are people like my dad who have entire families and communities behind them that are mourning,” she said.

“I feel as if he was robbed,” she said, and that he was not the only one.

..."Dad’s death was completely unnecessary and wouldn’t have happened had we acted quickly and swiftly in a way that prioritized public health,” his daughter said.

She also said she is "enraged" by the disproportionate effects the pandemic is having on communities of color around the country.

Tolleson is majority Hispanic and working class, as is Maryvale. Urquiza's father was an immigrant from Durango, Mexico, and his mother was a first-generation Mexican American.

Hispanics and African-Americans seem to figure in a larger proportion in the death count as the white people. This is sad and reflects other areas of the socio-economic divide in America. Republicans politicised the pandemic and the whole country suffers. They know what to do in November, but will they do it? Even if the current president is voted out, the team in charge would still be there at least until January 2021, which is more than enough time for the whole epidemic to go even further, with permanent damages caused to a large part of the population.

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#2521655 13-Jul-2020 09:12

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so we are kicking them out (for the lack of more appropriate words), to give employment to residents.

You are oversimplifying it. The rules aren't changed - if you don't have a visa for the current job then you should leave. This is the same as it ever was.

The fact new work visa holders can't come into the country means that New Zealanders (including returning ones) will have access to the jobs that can't be filled now. There isn't anything wrong with this. Some of these visa holders have skills needed in this country, hopefully these can be developed internally or some of the returning citizens can fill the gap.

No one is being kicked to give employment to residents.

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#2521656 13-Jul-2020 09:14

@Dingbatt:

This thread is starting to outlive its usefulness (edit: for me). In the early days of the pandemic it was a great place to find an aggregation of virus news. Now it’s just the same posters making the same points over and over for page after page, and for one to keep posting political spam masquerading under a Covid headline on almost every page.

After posting a few replies in a row (since I haven't logged since yesterday), I have to agree here.

If there's a discussion about immigration policy then we should move to a new thread and leave this one for the original intent - COVID-19, health issues, cases spread, scientific information found.

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#2521677 13-Jul-2020 09:26

This is an interesting story:

Contact tracers were racing against time to find the source. The pandemic's spread had to be halted. Was there a new, hidden outbreak already entrenched in the community?

Patient B had met the stroke victim and his sons at a party on March 29. But nobody else who attended tested positive. So where had he got it?

The city was not in lockdown. Small gatherings were allowed. Many businesses were open.

But contagion was usually through close contact. So they tested his girlfriend. She had it. Her daughter, who lived at home, also had it.

And he had visited them on March 26. Here the contact tracers hit a brick wall. None had travelled. None had contacts who had travelled. And no further cases of COVID could be linked to them. But the virus couldn't just materialise out of thin air.

By April 9, the contact tracers were becoming desperate. So they called up the profiles of everybody living in the same residential apartment tower as the earliest known sufferers.

One, they realised, had recently travelled from the United States – and she lived on the floor above the woman and her daughter.

A quick assessment revealed her to be well. And she's been following self-isolation protocol to the letter. But a swab revealed she had Covid-19 antibodies.

Detailed questioning and movement tracking showed the women had not come in direct contact with each other. Which left just one possible source of contagion.

The lift that portion of the apartment block shared – the asymptomatic traveller had used it to get to the apartment where she had self-isolated.

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#2521679 13-Jul-2020 09:30

Regard the above - @oblivian snap.

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#2521934 13-Jul-2020 10:55

Fauci:

“If you look anecdotally there is no question that there are a considerable number of individuals who have a post-viral syndrome that really in many respects can incapacitate them for weeks and weeks following so-called recovery and clearing of the virus….you can see people who’ve recovered who really do not get back to normal that they have things that are highly suggestive of myalgic encephalomyelitis and chronic fatigue syndrome. Brain fog, fatigue, and difficulty in concentrating so this is something we really need to seriously look at because it very well might be a post-viral syndrome associated with covid-19.”

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#2522054 13-Jul-2020 12:53

Does anyone have a problem with this? - https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/american-pathologist-moves-nz-avoid-trumps-disaster

While she has a job offer, and is considered "essential", the family are from the most virus ridden country on the planet. How essential is questionable at the moment, as we have a very limited number of dead Covid patients, and let's hope it stays that way.

Compare this to one of my colleagues whom we recruited from Fiji 18 months ago because of his specialist skillset. His wife and child remained in Fiji until she could find work in NZ, which took a little longer than anticipated. Earlier this year she got a job offer in NZ and got all the relevant paperwork sorted, had flights booked and paid for, and missed getting in by 1 day when the Covid curtain fell in March. They're now told they're "back of the queue" while there are still returning NZ residents, with no idea when they'll be let in and whether her job will still be waiting.

Does this seem right?

* Has family in NZ (not just husband but other family members) versus no family and never even been here before

* Paperwork etc. all sorted out well in advance to Covid versus decision to move made after things started looking dicey in the US

* From a country like NZ with no active Covid in the community versus totally out of control

* Someone "doing the right thing" by holding off a move until employment was found versus "oh sh!t where's the lifeboat?"

I understand that a pathologist might be useful (personally I'd prefer to visit a doctor ;-), but how about we just take her and let the rest of her family wait like my colleague now has to do? If they're committed to a move surely that won't be a problem?

I purposely haven't mentioned an elephant in the room, but it really does make one wonder who gets to call the shots, on what basis those shots are called, and whether this is actually a common occurrence?

I'll be very interested in the opinion of others, as from where I sit this doesn't seem quite right.

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#2522075 13-Jul-2020 13:21

I, also, had a few qualms about the American pathologist, as the criteria for entry visa seems to have been "stretched". The other query concerns the four people who broke isolation restrictions in various ways last week. How come one person has had his name released to the media, as well as his home town, but the other three remain unidentified? The man from Queenstown has been hung out to dry, but the others, including one who broke a window, remain anonymous. I would hate to think it is something to do with a collusion or cover-up.

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#2522081 13-Jul-2020 13:28

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I, also, had a few qualms about the American pathologist, as the criteria for entry visa seems to have been "stretched". The other query concerns the four people who broke isolation restrictions in various ways last week. How come one person has had his name released to the media, as well as his home town, but the other three remain unidentified? The man from Queenstown has been hung out to dry, but the others, including one who broke a window, remain anonymous. I would hate to think it is something to do with a collusion or cover-up.

Have they all been charged yet?

Collusion or cover up? This isn't Trump's America

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#2522086 13-Jul-2020 13:43

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I, also, had a few qualms about the American pathologist, as the criteria for entry visa seems to have been "stretched". The other query concerns the four people who broke isolation restrictions in various ways last week. How come one person has had his name released to the media, as well as his home town, but the other three remain unidentified? The man from Queenstown has been hung out to dry, but the others, including one who broke a window, remain anonymous. I would hate to think it is something to do with a collusion or cover-up.

The Auckland woman was named today after appearing in court. Standard court and naming process I imagine

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#2522087 13-Jul-2020 13:43

I believe the window breaker case was left along the lines of 'they are providing the expected care and support needed at this time'

Read that how you will, but also consider sometimes personal state of health is kept private if needed.
And active court cases often can't be discussed as it can sway outcome

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#2522088 13-Jul-2020 13:43

"COVID-19: Woman who escaped Auckland isolation named in court"

The woman who absconded from managed isolation in Auckland by jumping two fences has been named as Suzanne Marie Derrett.

The 43-year-old arrived in New Zealand from Brisbane on June 27 and had been staying at the Pullman Hotel in the CBD.

She's also the same person reportedly being sought by Australian health authorities in April:

POLICE are seeking public help to locate a missing woman, 43, who may have been most recently seen in Gympie.

"Police hold some concerns for her safety as her behaviour is out of character," police said.

Suzanne Derrett (pictured) was last seen verifiably about 10.50am on April 4, leaving a health facility on Hospital Rd, Nambour, a police spokeswoman said yesterday.

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