2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2552739 30-Aug-2020 23:17

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Why aren't masks needed on Inter Island ferries? Do they think that the virus doesn't like water?

in my mind a ferry is still public transport, does it only apply to planes/trains/buses/rideshare?

I think they said for Interislander ferries there was enough space to distance from each other, but I say the ferries should be included

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#2552741 30-Aug-2020 23:45

nathan:

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Why aren't masks needed on Inter Island ferries? Do they think that the virus doesn't like water?

in my mind a ferry is still public transport, does it only apply to planes/trains/buses/rideshare?

Masks wouldn't be required on any pubic transport, if the border with Auckland wasn't reopening in 15 minutes, and potentailly the rest of NZ could have dropped down to level 1.5, and all businesses outside Auckland could then operate as normal. Also potentially all aged care outisde Auckland could then also be open too, so people can see their relatives in lockdown in there. But opening the border with Auckland increases the risk for everyone, so that appears to be why level 2 for the rest of NZ wasn't dropped down, as you can't have two different parts of NZ in very different levels without a border . So IMO ferries are public transport, and people should therefore wear masks. Just because people are not required to, doesn't mean that people shouldn't. I am not sure if some people making the decision have been over thinking things. So much easier to just say, everyone wears mask in public spaces and in workplaces. Easy, and mass masking is what one of NZs top epidemiologists suggests too. The government are asking people outside Auckland to now wear masks from Monday, but they don't appear to have mandated it apart from public transport .But IMO it is a slippery slope and it is just a matter of time before mask wearing in public spaces will become normal, like it is overseas in Covid countries.

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#2552804 31-Aug-2020 07:25

i think when they do the royal commission of enquiry or whatever they want to call it you will find that right from the start there should be a pandemic response team made of health professionals with representation from public health, community health, hospital specialist; plus representation from business council and politician, and police and army.

as opposed to politicians and a single public health person. with all due respect, the trouble with that is politicians background is very variable. some are lawyers some are businessmen (trump!), some have no managerial background, previous health minister was a religious expert - what can you expect.

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#2552811 31-Aug-2020 07:44

Batman:

i think when they do the royal commission of enquiry or whatever they want to call it you will find that right from the start there should be a pandemic response team made of health professionals with representation from public health, community health, hospital specialist; plus representation from business council and politician, and police and army. as opposed to politicians and a single public health person.

The Ministers do not act alone they will have extensive consultation with department officials and advisors. Doctor Bloomfield will not be working alone he is the front person for a whole team advising him that includes public and private heath experts. The ex CEO of AirNZ was appointed as a special advisor along with others. The bottom line is they have a a large team advising and Cabinet meets fully informed.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2552813 31-Aug-2020 07:51

MikeB4:

Batman:

i think when they do the royal commission of enquiry or whatever they want to call it you will find that right from the start there should be a pandemic response team made of health professionals with representation from public health, community health, hospital specialist; plus representation from business council and politician, and police and army. as opposed to politicians and a single public health person.

The Ministers do not act alone they will have extensive consultation with department officials and advisors. Doctor Bloomfield will not be working alone he is the front person for a whole team advising him that includes public and private heath experts. The ex CEO of AirNZ was appointed as a special advisor along with others. The bottom line is they have a a large team advising and Cabinet meets fully informed.

Exactly why we need a full Royal Commission into the responses. There's so many different agencies and people involved that we need something that can assemble the full story about what did happen, what we were told was happening and what should have happened, instead of relying on independent reports every time something goes awry.

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#2552818 31-Aug-2020 08:00

I don't see the need to waste a whole pile of cash on an enquiry that would achieve nothing. The response to the pandemic is receiving extensive exposure and scrutiny at many levels. I feel the small amout of call for an enquiry are politically and personal affect motivated. The money that such an enquiry would burn through would be better spent on the recovery and vaccines.

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#2552819 31-Aug-2020 08:04

MikeB4:

I don't see the need to waste a whole pile of cash on an enquiry that would achieve nothing. The response to the pandemic is receiving extensive exposure and scrutiny at many levels. I feel the small amout of call for an enquiry are politically and personal affect motivated. The money that such an enquiry would burn through would be better spent on the recovery and vaccines.

You have no idea how much money we've burnt through. And we're only probably just at the end of the beginning.

If you just took the single bank transfer to the bungee jump millionaires that would be enough to start the enquiry. Ignore every other transaction.

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#2552823 31-Aug-2020 08:05

MikeB4:

I don't see the need to waste a whole pile of cash on an enquiry that would achieve nothing. The response to the pandemic is receiving extensive exposure and scrutiny at many levels. I feel the small amout of call for an enquiry are politically and personal affect motivated. The money that such an enquiry would burn through would be better spent on the recovery and vaccines.

Weird, I feel like we'd be much better prepared for the next pandemic if we are actually knew what mistakes we'd made the first time around.

I guess I feel like people who don't think we should examine our response or the mistakes we made are potentially politically motivated as well.

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#2552828 31-Aug-2020 08:14

Batman:
MikeB4:

I don't see the need to waste a whole pile of cash on an enquiry that would achieve nothing. The response to the pandemic is receiving extensive exposure and scrutiny at many levels. I feel the small amout of call for an enquiry are politically and personal affect motivated. The money that such an enquiry would burn through would be better spent on the recovery and vaccines.

You have no idea how much money we've burnt through. And we're only probably at the end of the beginning.

Treasury has an allowance of $100 Billion that is of course open to review and adjustment accordingly. All the money being spent is being borrowed. The ability to keep paying the wage subsidies is running out and this will be a driver for using regional short term lock down responses. So wasting further money on a royal commission needed except in the minds of the likes of Mike Hoskings et al and election point scoring is pointless.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2552829 31-Aug-2020 08:15

GV27:

Weird, I feel like we'd be much better prepared for the next pandemic if we are actually knew what mistakes we'd made the first time around.

I guess I feel like people who don't think we should examine our response or the mistakes we made are potentially politically motivated as well.

That does not need a royal commission.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2552830 31-Aug-2020 08:25

Sorry to interrupt :)

Has there been any indication given as to how long we will be in levels 2.5/2.0 for?

Is it likely to be some time?

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#2552831 31-Aug-2020 08:28

Any 'royal commission' is simply the woffling of one overpaid idiot trying to justify their importance & pay - by writing a bunch of 'recommendations' with no regard(or responsibility for how appropriate or relivant or practical they are.

It won't achieve anything good for our next pandemic.

Each pandemic is 'individual' and fast moving - and must be treated as such.
Our leaders did an excellent(relatively) job, in their initial response and (mostly) up till now.

Far better to be handled by a small group like we have done.

Than a silly committee with competing interests and weakness to lobbying & no accountability.

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#2552832 31-Aug-2020 08:29

kiwifidget:

Sorry to interrupt :)

Has there been any indication given as to how long we will be in levels 2.5/2.0 for?

Is it likely to be some time?

I feel this will be in place until we see something like 10 days with no new cases from the community clusters.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2552845 31-Aug-2020 08:49

concordnz: Any 'royal commission' is simply the woffling of one overpaid idiot trying to justify their importance & pay - by writing a bunch of 'recommendations' with no regard(or responsibility for how appropriate or relivant or practical they are.[

Nope. Not even close to how ab RC works.

It won't achieve anything good for our next pandemic.

If you look at the history of RCs in NZ you will find they are overall very very effective.

Generally agree it's been very good with only minor issues. One of the first things an RC will find is the health system at present is geared for the day to day business of healthcare planning and is not set up for all the rapid response required for pandemic events. The social media issues this week showed that again in very small way.

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#2552847 31-Aug-2020 08:53

concordnz: Than a silly committee with competing interests and weakness to lobbying & no accountability.

RCs don't run anything. The sole purpose is gathering evidence and reporting within defined terms. I'm not necessarily stuck on an RC per se but it does need to be something at that level to consider all the aspects in depth and make recommendations to align all the systems. An RC just happens to be a tried and tested way of doing that kind of thing really well in NZ.

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