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#2559689 7-Sep-2020 15:49

MikeB4:

It's doomed because too many drivers think cars are toys, roads are playgrounds, rules are optional, believe they are the worlds best driver

But I am

Except when it comes to parallel parking, reversing and speed limits 🤪

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#2559752 7-Sep-2020 16:55

Reading this I have to conclude that the majority of GZers are either in training for the Comedy Club or driving without a license.

The typical comedy line goes something like - I can't keep below x kph without looking at the speedo ALL the time. If I keep looking at the speedo ALL the time I'm going to crash.

Now, the few that did pass their driving license will not of course had an error during the test that mean instant failure. Amongst these are collision (full or partial fault) or excessive speed. To save you looking it up the wording is:

Excessive speed

You shouldn't go above the speed limit at any stage. In the test, you'll get an Immediate Fail Error if you drive:

- between 5 and 10 km/h over the speed limit, for 5 seconds or more
- 10 km/h or more over the speed limit at any time.

https://drive.govt.nz/get-your-restricted/find-out-about-the-test/common-test-mistakes/immediate-fail-errors/

Adjunct to this, you are allowed one critical error, two or more is failure again. Surprise, speeding is again a penalty.

Driving too fast

If you go 5 km/h or more over the limit (but less than 10 km/h over) for up to five seconds, the Testing Officer will mark this as a Critical Error.

My emphasis. https://drive.govt.nz/get-your-restricted/find-out-about-the-test/common-test-mistakes/critical-errors/

OK, those km/h numbers may cause another round of discussion, but that time of 5 seconds is not long at all in a 30 minute test, and I assume most tests do not result in an accident.

Oh, you do have a license. Really?

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#2559762 7-Sep-2020 17:13

On my way home today I passed one officer with a speed gun stood under a tree, in the shade with his car parked around the corner and another in their car but also hidden behind a bush.

Coming from England where cameras are sign posted tell me this isn't about quota's.

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#2559767 7-Sep-2020 17:18

martyyn: On my way home today I passed one officer with a speed gun stood under a tree, in the shade with his car parked around the corner and another in their car but also hidden behind a bush.

Coming from England where cameras are sign posted tell me this isn't about quota's.

What’s the point of signposting a speed camera? Drivers can just slow for the camera and carry on their speeding way when they’re past it.

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#2559780 7-Sep-2020 17:31

martyyn: On my way home today I passed one officer with a speed gun stood under a tree, in the shade with his car parked around the corner and another in their car but also hidden behind a bush.

Coming from England where cameras are sign posted tell me this isn't about quota's.

it is not about quotas. It has been stated countless times over the years.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2559781 7-Sep-2020 17:33

MikeB4:

martyyn: On my way home today I passed one officer with a speed gun stood under a tree, in the shade with his car parked around the corner and another in their car but also hidden behind a bush.

Coming from England where cameras are sign posted tell me this isn't about quota's.

it is not about quotas. It has been stated countless times over the years.

Well, that must make it so then. LOL

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#2559783 7-Sep-2020 17:40

MartinGZ:
Reading this I have to conclude that the majority of GZers are either in training for the Comedy Club or driving without a license.

The typical comedy line goes something like - I can't keep below x kph without looking at the speedo ALL the time. If I keep looking at the speedo ALL the time I'm going to crash.

Now, the few that did pass their driving license will not of course had an error during the test that mean instant failure. Amongst these are collision (full or partial fault) or excessive speed. To save you looking it up the wording is:

Excessive speed

You shouldn't go above the speed limit at any stage. In the test, you'll get an Immediate Fail Error if you drive:

between 5 and 10 km/h over the speed limit, for 5 seconds or more

10 km/h or more over the speed limit at any time.

https://drive.govt.nz/get-your-restricted/find-out-about-the-test/common-test-mistakes/immediate-fail-errors/

Adjunct to this, you are allowed one critical error, two or more is failure again. Surprise, speeding is again a penalty.

Driving too fast

If you go 5 km/h or more over the limit (but less than 10 km/h over) for up to five seconds, the Testing Officer will mark this as a Critical Error.

My emphasis. https://drive.govt.nz/get-your-restricted/find-out-about-the-test/common-test-mistakes/critical-errors/

OK, those km/h numbers may cause another round of discussion, but that time of 5 seconds is not long at all in a 30 minute test, and I assume most tests do not result in an accident.

Oh, you do have a license. Really?

I’m willing to bet I’ve held a licence a lot longer than most and so far direct osmosis from the speedo to my foot on the accelerator hasn’t worked efficiently in keeping to the EXACT limit without watching the speedo with my eyes. Cruise Control isn’t a feature of my car.

You might like to describe to all us Comedy Club trainees how you manage to drive without glancing at your speedo.

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#2559784 7-Sep-2020 17:40

Lastman:
What’s the point of signposting a speed camera? Drivers can just slow for the camera and carry on their speeding way when they’re past it.

Because it's about awareness and not making money or filling quotas.

If you see enough signs telling you there is a camera you slow down and stay below the limit. If you get caught you have no defense.

It was a few years ago now but IIRC it was only for fixed cameras which didn't always have camera in them.

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#2559794 7-Sep-2020 17:55

@networkn I don’t think the folks who bang on endlessly that it’s about quotas wouldn’t accept it even if there was a document signed by the GG, PM, 15 Judges, the 10 Disciples and Richie McCaw. If they did then they will have to accept its their own fault they get speeding tickets.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2559795 7-Sep-2020 18:07

Except that I heard from a real non traffic cop complaining to me that traffic cops have quotas. Though that was a few years ago.

Maybe we should let this quota business rest. Officially there shouldn't be.

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#2559813 7-Sep-2020 18:49

MartinGZ:

Reading this I have to conclude that the majority of GZers are either in training for the Comedy Club or driving without a license.

The typical comedy line goes something like - I can't keep below x kph without looking at the speedo ALL the time. If I keep looking at the speedo ALL the time I'm going to crash.

Now, the few that did pass their driving license will not of course had an error during the test that mean instant failure. Amongst these are collision (full or partial fault) or excessive speed. To save you looking it up the wording is:

Excessive speed

You shouldn't go above the speed limit at any stage. In the test, you'll get an Immediate Fail Error if you drive:

between 5 and 10 km/h over the speed limit, for 5 seconds or more
10 km/h or more over the speed limit at any time.
https://drive.govt.nz/get-your-restricted/find-out-about-the-test/common-test-mistakes/immediate-fail-errors/

Adjunct to this, you are allowed one critical error, two or more is failure again. Surprise, speeding is again a penalty.

Driving too fast

If you go 5 km/h or more over the limit (but less than 10 km/h over) for up to five seconds, the Testing Officer will mark this as a Critical Error.

My emphasis. https://drive.govt.nz/get-your-restricted/find-out-about-the-test/common-test-mistakes/critical-errors/

OK, those km/h numbers may cause another round of discussion, but that time of 5 seconds is not long at all in a 30 minute test, and I assume most tests do not result in an accident.

Oh, you do have a license. Really?

Considering this thread is about zero tolerance and how silly it is, and according to the rules you've stated above you could drive at 54.9kph throughout your entire driving test and pass, you've kind of contradicted yourself.

Keeping within +- 5kph of the limit is easy. Never straying even slightly over 50kph without driving slowly enough to be a PITA to others is a bit more challenging.

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#2559841 7-Sep-2020 19:34

shk292:

Considering this thread is about zero tolerance and how silly it is, and according to the rules you've stated above you could drive at 54.9kph throughout your entire driving test and pass, you've kind of contradicted yourself.

Keeping within +- 5kph of the limit is easy. Never straying even slightly over 50kph without driving slowly enough to be a PITA to others is a bit more challenging.

Yep doing 3 or 4Kph under the speed limit for a hundred meters or so around town is such a PITA is life changing

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2559843 7-Sep-2020 19:48

MikeB4:

Yep doing 3 or 4Kph under the speed limit for a hundred meters or so around town is such a PITA is life changing

Not at all. But 10kph under can irritating. As can those drivers who are incapable of maintaining a steady speed as the road gradient changes, slowing down to 80kph up hills the accelerating to 110kph down the other side.

It doesn't have to be life changing to be an annoyance

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#2559908 7-Sep-2020 20:29

shk292:

MikeB4:

Yep doing 3 or 4Kph under the speed limit for a hundred meters or so around town is such a PITA is life changing

Not at all. But 10kph under can irritating. As can those drivers who are incapable of maintaining a steady speed as the road gradient changes, slowing down to 80kph up hills the accelerating to 110kph down the other side.

It doesn't have to be life changing to be an annoyance

I'll give an example of how this was frustrating.

Last Thursday evening, around 7:30 p.m., I traveled from Johnsonville to Petone, down the Ngauranga gorge, and along SH2.

Coming onto SH2 Northbound from the gorge I was following another vehicle, and as we joined SH2, we accelerated up to the dizzying speed of 90, maybe a little bit higher. As we joined the clear left lane, a car in the right lane, who was in the right lane as we joined the motorway, made an attempt to pass\overtake the vehicle in front of me. The road ahead of the car in front of me was clear for a considerable distance.

As I followed the slowest overtake in history, in that stretch of motorway from Ngauranga to Petone, the car in the right lane never completed the pass. My vehicle displays a digital reading of the speed, next to the speedometer, and never in that stretch of road did I see a number higher than 94. I haven't had it tested, but in driving past those digital roadside "your speed" signs, i believe that the speedometer reads about 3km/h higher than actual road speed.

The speed didn't concern me, but what was frustrating the most, as we approached the Petone off ramp, the vehicle in the right lane decide they too wanted to exit the motorway at Petone. I was following in the left lane, observing a 2 second rule to the car in front, but Mr right hand lane decided that as they couldn't overtake the vehicle in front of me, they would slot in between us.

Being nice, I braked and let Mr right hand lane in. Being that time of night, there was no one immediately following me, however had it been busier, me braking would have had a knock on effect.

I can only assume Mr right hand lane was too afraid of exceeding the 100km/h limit, and therefore couldn't\wouldn't complete the pass.

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#2559915 7-Sep-2020 20:44

MartinGZ:

Reading this I have to conclude that the majority of GZers are either in training for the Comedy Club or driving without a license.

The typical comedy line goes something like - I can't keep below x kph without looking at the speedo ALL the time. If I keep looking at the speedo ALL the time I'm going to crash.

Now, the few that did pass their driving license will not of course had an error during the test that mean instant failure. Amongst these are collision (full or partial fault) or excessive speed. To save you looking it up the wording is:

Excessive speed

You shouldn't go above the speed limit at any stage. In the test, you'll get an Immediate Fail Error if you drive:

between 5 and 10 km/h over the speed limit, for 5 seconds or more
10 km/h or more over the speed limit at any time.
https://drive.govt.nz/get-your-restricted/find-out-about-the-test/common-test-mistakes/immediate-fail-errors/

Adjunct to this, you are allowed one critical error, two or more is failure again. Surprise, speeding is again a penalty.

Driving too fast

If you go 5 km/h or more over the limit (but less than 10 km/h over) for up to five seconds, the Testing Officer will mark this as a Critical Error.

My emphasis. https://drive.govt.nz/get-your-restricted/find-out-about-the-test/common-test-mistakes/critical-errors/

OK, those km/h numbers may cause another round of discussion, but that time of 5 seconds is not long at all in a 30 minute test, and I assume most tests do not result in an accident.

Oh, you do have a license. Really?

The woman who took me for my license test told me specifically to go about 5km/h faster than the speed limit, so read all the laws and rules you like, there are instructors like her out there too.

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