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#1385317 11-Sep-2015 00:21

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Geektastic: Frankly I'd rather sit in the heated leather armchair in the Discovery, enjoying the scenery and watching the lunatics kill themselves safely away from me.

No wonder the road stats here are so bad - everyone thinks they are Fangio.

+1 ... people thinking they can do 130 on a marked 65 bend ... so 170 on the 85 ones?

If it's 85, it's practically a straight line.

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#1385335 11-Sep-2015 06:09

joker97:
Geektastic: Frankly I'd rather sit in the heated leather armchair in the Discovery, enjoying the scenery and watching the lunatics kill themselves safely away from me.

No wonder the road stats here are so bad - everyone thinks they are Fangio.

+1 ... people thinking they can do 130 on a marked 65 bend ... so 170 on the 85 ones?

the speed limit is 100 + the tolerance so both those a moot points

the signs on bends are for fully laden trucks so you should easily be able to go faster in a car, that is how they are designed and rated

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#1385342 11-Sep-2015 07:35

Jase2985:
joker97:
Geektastic: Frankly I'd rather sit in the heated leather armchair in the Discovery, enjoying the scenery and watching the lunatics kill themselves safely away from me.

No wonder the road stats here are so bad - everyone thinks they are Fangio.

+1 ... people thinking they can do 130 on a marked 65 bend ... so 170 on the 85 ones?

the speed limit is 100 + the tolerance so both those a moot points

the signs on bends are for fully laden trucks so you should easily be able to go faster in a car, that is how they are designed and rated

NZ uses the Ball Bank method to determine the speed advisory, can you give us a link to where it says that this testing is done by fully laden trucks?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1385352 11-Sep-2015 08:13

Jase2985: the speed limit is 100 + the tolerance so both those a moot points

The speed limit is 100 full stop, isn't it?

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#1385355 11-Sep-2015 08:21

the article i watched on tv which had the NZTA driving the roads with the measuring device and stating that the limit was for a fully laden truck.

why would it be for a car? that would mean trucks would have to take it slower. the speed limits are designed for trucks which have a higher center of gravity and some have a significantly lower cornering g force before they would roll.

also feel free to read this if you like:
Curve Speed Management
Land Transport New Zealand
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/research/reports/323/docs/323.pdf

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#1385357 11-Sep-2015 08:23

bazzer:
Jase2985: the speed limit is 100 + the tolerance so both those a moot points

The speed limit is 100 full stop, isn't it?

Yes the maximum allowable speed is 100km/h depending on prevailing conditions.

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#1385361 11-Sep-2015 08:28

MikeB4:
bazzer:
Jase2985: the speed limit is 100 + the tolerance so both those a moot points

The speed limit is 100 full stop, isn't it?

Yes the maximum allowable speed is 100km/h depending on prevailing conditions.

with a tolerance because no single speed indicating device is accurate

100kph on your speedo is not 100kph in actual speed

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#1385380 11-Sep-2015 08:43

MikeB4: Going around corners posted at 65km/h at 110km/h is silly and dangerous to other road users and would be considered dangerous driving. A car maybe able to do it in a controlled known environment like a test track, on the open road there is too many variables.

Ok let me be clear,
I consider 110km/h around a 65km/h the maximum speed for both my driving ability and the ability of my car. This is the speed I know I can handle without straying onto the incorrect side of the road or crossing the fog lines.
I do not drive like this unless the conditions are right. (Dry road, not a blind corner, a road that is in good conditions and invariably one I know quite well.)

Normally I will take that bend at around 90km/h, giving me a significant gap between the skill I use and skill I have.

My original suggestion was that if someone does not posses the skill/car to negotiate a 65km/h bend at the open road speed limit then they should not drive at that speed limit.

This is because if something goes wrong at 100/110 they will not poses the skill to get out of trouble. In fact I guarantee they will slam on the brakes and crash directly into the thing they were trying to avoid.

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#1385409 11-Sep-2015 09:25

<begin rant with optional frothing at mouth>

Always love how people twist the rules to suit themselves and their imagined skill levels (I guess they know far more than all those other mere mortals on the road!).

These are the NZ rules for "speed" : http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-limits/speed-limits/

The word "tolerance" does not show up anywhere on it. If a road says 100 .. then it's a maximum of 100, not 104 because my mate down the pub says there is a tolerance! you really think the police care if your speedo is not accurate ? They clock you at over they may or may not ticket you depending on the phase of the moon and if they got laid the night before!

Bends will have recommended speed limits on them because someone (who is being paid by the tax payer to do that job and work it out) has decided that 65 is a speed that the average vehicle can get around safely.

Not claiming to be a saint just get irritated when people can't be bothered to learn, just cause you passed your test doesn't mean you magically are a guru, you should be learning every time you get in the car or on the bike.

<end of rant> :-)

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#1385424 11-Sep-2015 09:33

I've said it before.

New Zealand Drivers on the most part consider driving an adversarial endeavor.
- Must be done as fast as possible
- Rules don't apply to them as they are skilled drivers, the laws are for the other people
- Can't possibly be passed or have anyone merge into a lane ahead of them
- can't possibly sit behind another car that is only driving at the speed limit

And that is the problem. We are just sh*t drivers. Selfish, arrogant and on the most part wildly overestimating our skill.

I drive SH2 quite a bit from the bottom of the Bombays through to the Thames turnoff (the 90km/h special speed zone), I do it at 90km/h (which on my speedo is about 94), and am constantly having cars race up to my rear bumper. I just sit at the same 90 in the many passing lanes and off they go. Invariably, I pull up behind them at the next intersection, or if coming back to Auckland, see them again on the motorway. They just can't stand being 'stuck' behind anyone.

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#1385428 11-Sep-2015 09:37

Mark: <begin rant with optional frothing at mouth>

Bends will have recommended speed limits on them because someone (who is being paid by the tax payer to do that job and work it out) has decided that 65 is a speed that the average vehicle can get around safely.

<end of rant> :-)

No, they have decided that 65 is a speed that the average fully laden truck can get around safely.

Honestly if someone in an average car needs to slow to 65 to negotiate a 65km/h bend safely then they should not be driving at all.

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#1385435 11-Sep-2015 09:44

Jase2985:
MikeB4:
bazzer:
Jase2985: the speed limit is 100 + the tolerance so both those a moot points

The speed limit is 100 full stop, isn't it?

Yes the maximum allowable speed is 100km/h depending on prevailing conditions.

with a tolerance because no single speed indicating device is accurate

100kph on your speedo is not 100kph in actual speed

The legislative maximum is 100km/h depending on conditions. The 10km/h tolerance is a discretionary policy of the Police that they may or may not apply it does not mean a speed limit of 110km/h.
Also, you could be travelling down SH1 at 100km/h in pouring rain etc and get ticketed for excessive speed or dangerous driving.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1385445 11-Sep-2015 09:45

mdooher:
Mark: <begin rant with optional frothing at mouth>

Bends will have recommended speed limits on them because someone (who is being paid by the tax payer to do that job and work it out) has decided that 65 is a speed that the average vehicle can get around safely.

<end of rant> :-)

No, they have decided that 65 is a speed that the average fully laden truck can get around safely.

Honestly if someone in an average car needs to slow to 65 to negotiate a 65km/h bend safely then they should not be driving at all.

Its determined using many vehicles, road conditions, environmental considerations (sun strike), accident statistics etc etc and very complex mathematics

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#1385449 11-Sep-2015 09:52

MikeB4:
Jase2985:
MikeB4:
bazzer:
Jase2985: the speed limit is 100 + the tolerance so both those a moot points

The speed limit is 100 full stop, isn't it?

Yes the maximum allowable speed is 100km/h depending on prevailing conditions.

with a tolerance because no single speed indicating device is accurate

100kph on your speedo is not 100kph in actual speed

The legislative maximum is 100km/h depending on conditions. The 10km/h tolerance is a discretionary policy of the Police that they may or may not apply it does not mean a speed limit of 110km/h.
Also, you could be travelling down SH1 at 100km/h in pouring rain etc and get ticketed for excessive speed or dangerous driving.

Very unlikely, In the old days of Limited Speed Zones it was a simple matter to issue tickets like that, now it requires a court case and any decent defence lawyer will make proving it beyond reasonable doubt almost impossible.

By the way, I was once driving a Police car to a job at night in the poring rain on the Auckland motorway. I was doing about 70km/h because of the conditions. Some guy passed me in the outside lane going around 100. Even though I felt it was dangerous to go faster I would have had a hard time proving he couldn't.

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#1385454 11-Sep-2015 09:56

mdooher:
Mark: <begin rant with optional frothing at mouth>

Bends will have recommended speed limits on them because someone (who is being paid by the tax payer to do that job and work it out) has decided that 65 is a speed that the average vehicle can get around safely.

<end of rant> :-)

No, they have decided that 65 is a speed that the average fully laden truck can get around safely.

Honestly if someone in an average car needs to slow to 65 to negotiate a 65km/h bend safely then they should not be driving at all.

I've read this a couple of times about the speed being a speed for a truck. I recently got my truck license (only class 2) and the instructor kept saying to go 10-15 km/h below the speed posted on the corners.

This is advice I've also heard from an experienced truck driver so it doesn't align with what is being said.

In the car though I'll go round any corner marked at 65 or higher at 100 most of the time.

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