Nissan LEAF - General

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#2687264 6-Apr-2021 14:35

Downloading plugshare now. Thanks....

RunningMan:

This is really good for planning trips. You can add in how degraded your battery is if needed.

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

Thanks, found this yesterday. But not the ability to set how degraded battery is. After setting to 15% shows needs a 5 min charge in Rangiora on way back ;-)

RunningMan

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#2687267 6-Apr-2021 14:49

al8565:

Thanks, found this yesterday. But not the ability to set how degraded battery is.

After picking your vehicle, click on settings, turn on detailed settings, and it is under Battery & Chargers.

kingdragonfly

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#2695658 21-Apr-2021 08:18

Still seeing 2019 and later Leafs starting at $50K

This well-used one with a big battery is $53K

Autolink Cars doctored the images of the radio, judging by the wildly wrong odometer reading and the difference between interior and exterior shots.

Not cool. Photos should have said "representative only" or something similar.

I'd guess the car is not in the country yet.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/nissan/listing/3061889256

Jaxson

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#2695822 21-Apr-2021 10:21

kingdragonfly:

Autolink Cars doctored the images of the radio, judging by the wildly wrong odometer reading and the difference between interior and exterior shots.

Not cool. Photos should have said "representative only" or something similar.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/nissan/listing/3061889256

Yep photos look to be off another car altogether. Very poor advertising approach.

duckInferno

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Master Geek

#2696055 21-Apr-2021 12:40

Tbh if I were buying an EV today I'd import it.

You can get a low km grade 5 G spec e+ (62 kWh + better motor) for approx $41k imported through an NZ company.

The fact that it's an EV (and a recent year) minimises the risk of importing a lemon or low SOH if you buy blind, though as I understand it there are companies in Japan that will also inspect on your behalf, presumably they can check SOH.

RUKI

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#2697691 24-Apr-2021 19:38

Feedback from few different Dealers (my clients):
- no longer bringing Leafs, switched to Hybrids;
- no longer bringing Leafs, switched to SUV;
- occasionaly bringing 40kWh if lucky to grab one at a good price;
Internal second-hand Leaf market is nearly saturated with current owners trying to upgrade to 30/40/62kWh driven by 3 major factors:
1) plummeting resellable value
2) degrading batteries with reduction of range
3) no prospect in the next 12 months for spare batteries to come to NZ
24kWh Leafs with 4-5 bars are not rare. Only good for back up battery for solar something;
Myth that low SOH car is still has value for "around town" is a myth as the lower the remaining capacity, the higher the risk of uneven degradation of the battery pack with random cell failures.
Observed 5 bar 42SOH Leaf (ASE0) with well balanced battery and two non-erasable error codes (and orange light on the dash) related (according to Service Manual) to the need to change degraded battery. That was a shocker as I would not anticipate traction battery to throw that code at 42% of capacity remaining.

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redfiat

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#2697815 25-Apr-2021 13:32

Theclaytons:

Hi,

I've searched (for weeks) and have not found an answer anywhere. I can't see any similar posts here but apologise if this has been answered.

I have a 2018 ZE1 with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Since I've owned the car, I've had lots of problems with the stereo rebooting / freezing when using Android Auto / CarPlay.

With Android Auto the stereo rebooted (back to Nissan Logo) every 15 - 30 minutes or so). I took it back to EV's Enhanced and they wiped, added latest firmware and tried with or without Japanese conversion over the top. The behaviour persisted. I gave up and bought an iPhone with CarPlay. CarPlay is worse. It freezes pretty much every time I get to 55kmph. I took it back to EV's enhanced who swapped the radio out for a new one, latest firmware etc. same result. I removed CarPlay devices from the phone multiple times. I've changed cables and bought a $35 0.5m cable from the apple store to try and fix it. I've wiped the phone and added no additional apps in case it was an introduced app that caused issues. Sadly same result. I've bought a CarLinkit 2.0 device to see if I could get wireless CarPlay going and get the same result with this device.

About town (going slower than 50kmph) the unit behaves but can be a little bit laggy. As soon as it gets above 55kmph the head unit (both this one and the old one that was replaced) maps freeze, the car screen freezes. Audio still streams ok, maps gives audio directions if on, but the screen will not update and will not respond to touches until it sorts itself out maybe 2 - 5 minutes later.

Does anyone else have a 2018+ Nissan Leaf they use CarPlay on and does it behave this way on the open road? Any ideas what might be causing this?

HELP!!!

I just bought a ZE1 and have seen the same issue , I've had it reboot driving along the motorway.

I've swapped to a really short cable and it seems much more reliable but it still has done it occasionally

btw same phone connected to a pioneer head unit in my old car use to randomly hang Android auto. I'd have to reboot the stereo to fix.

The suggested advice to fix this was to make sure the google apps, etc are not being put to sleep by the battery optimizer.

Not had a chance to dig into in on my Leaf yet.

phone is a Galaxy Note 10+

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kingdragonfly

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#2699238 28-Apr-2021 13:36

rI just bought a ZE1 and have seen the same issue , I've had it reboot driving along the motorway.

I've swapped to a really short cable and it seems much more reliable but it still has done it occasionally

btw same phone connected to a pioneer head unit in my old car use to randomly hang Android auto. I'd have to reboot the stereo to fix.

The suggested advice to fix this was to make sure the google apps, etc are not being put to sleep by the battery optimizer.

Not had a chance to dig into in on my Leaf yet.

phone is a Galaxy Note 10+

At first I thought you meant the car rebooted!

:-Þ

Theclaytons

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Master Geek

#2699306 28-Apr-2021 18:39

I've had this fixed. Was an issue with version of maps on SD Card and firmware version of stereo or similar.

EV's enhanced were amazing and was a 5 minute fix.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/6594768645.png

RUKI

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#2700652 2-May-2021 10:26

Theclaytons:
I've had this fixed. Was an issue with version of maps on SD Card and firmware version of stereo or similar.....

If the versions are different the head unit displays black screen with error messages and not "rebooting". So you either were told BS or I am missing what was your issue at the first place.

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redfiat

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#2700658 2-May-2021 11:01

Theclaytons:

I've had this fixed. Was an issue with version of maps on SD Card and firmware version of stereo or similar.

EV's enhanced were amazing and was a 5 minute fix.

Im not using the onboard maps - it's Android Auto , google maps and the car stereo.

In fact just using android auto without google maps the stereo reboots occasionally too,

I've tried driving around without android auto running and had no reboots.

mrhaboobi

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Master Geek

#2711705 23-May-2021 12:48

Just wondering if anyone is selling a wifi based obd2 connector leafspy and iOS compatible ( assuming you upgraded to Bluetooth). Wanted to try leafspy lite using blustack first. So android over wifi. Failing that I’ll use my iPhone and buy leafspy. Main thing is it should be iPhone compatible if my experience with pc and blustack /box don’t work. Or maybe someone has a Bluetooth Le version specifically for iPhone you don’t need :). Chch based for collection would be a bonus. Not wanting to spend a fortune. Wife is looking at a leaf and would be nice to get soh for private sales.

Thanks

PolicyGuy

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#2712826 25-May-2021 12:18

Coverage on The Spinoff of the lack of “active thermally management” of the Leaf's battery pack:

The one big problem with New Zealand’s favourite electric vehicle

https://thespinoff.co.nz/money/25-05-2021/the-one-big-problem-with-new-zealands-favourite-electric-vehicle/

Edit: formatting

MarkH67

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Ultimate Geek

#2712833 25-May-2021 12:43

PolicyGuy:

Coverage on The Spinoff of the lack of “active thermally management” of the Leaf's battery pack:

The one big problem with New Zealand’s favourite electric vehicle

https://thespinoff.co.nz/money/25-05-2021/the-one-big-problem-with-new-zealands-favourite-electric-vehicle/

I wonder if there is any evidence that the lack of thermal management is the reason behind the Leaf's 23% battery degradation vs a Tesla's 10% over 10 years? My Leaf is coming up to 6 years old and has 10/12 bars. It has now had ~700 full charge cycles on the battery. If I had a Tesla with 4x the range and ran the same number of kms, it would have ~175 full charge cycles on its battery and I would therefore expect less battery degradation. I've worked out that I'm likely to put a Leaf through 1000 charge cycles in 5.5 years, but if I had a 64kWh Kona then I'd put it through 1000 charge cycles in 22 years - guess which one I'd expect to degrade faster? So, would I really not see the same battery degradation after 700 charging cycles, if I had active thermal management?

I do accept that higher than normal battery degradation would be likely if you lived in Texas with a car that had no active thermal management, but I never see my Leaf's temperature above normal. I also accept that multiple fast charges on a longer trip will heat up the battery if there is no active thermal management, but I only slow charge because my commute is within the available range. Obviously there is more time for the battery to cool down after a fast charge if the car has a much longer range, this is good for a Tesla and bad for a Leaf when doing long trips. So yes, in some use cases and in some climates - definitely active thermal management should be a high priority. But I'm not so sure that it is essential for everyone, regardless of how they use their car.

I'm thinking that for me a longer range would be a big advantage, more so than active thermal management - I'd happily take active thermal management if my next car came with it though. More range means you can drive further, but maybe more importantly it means you put your battery through less charge cycles when driving the same distances. Drive 100,000km in a car with 100km range and your battery has been through the equivalent of 1,000 cycles (maybe done as 1,200 partial cycles). Drive 100,000km in a car with 400km range and your battery has been through the equivalent of 250 cycles (maybe done as 1,200 smaller partial cycles).

RunningMan

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#2712875 25-May-2021 15:08

But the LEAF does have active thermal management. It actively reduces the charge and discharge rates with very high or low battery temps. It doesn't have liquid cooling/heating, but it does have management.

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