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#2390943 13-Jan-2020 12:11

RobDickinson:

A new leaf is $60k, a new tesla is $77k, not a huge gap given the vast gulf in ability and tech.

They were comparing a 30KW leaf ($25Kish) with a long range tesla model 3 ($95Kish)

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#2390944 13-Jan-2020 12:14

comparing an old used car to a brand new one is a fallacy though.

and the SR+ is a much better comparison to the 40kwh leaf.

Pretty sure Nissan did some point sell the old leaf and it was more than the current leaf cost.

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#2390956 13-Jan-2020 12:29

Linuxluver:
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People buying new cars definitely need subsidies that are more generous than in any other country, yep, absolutely. Won't someone think of old mate dropping $200K on a Model S? Bloke will basically be on skid row unless we get him $8k of taxpayer cash.

Cars over $80k don't qualify for the rebate.

Is there any word as to when an announcement on the proposed feebate scheme may occur?

And I assume the $80k limit - if it remains - is going to end up ruling out the Model 3 (and Model Y) from being eligible for the rebate?

I'd like to go fully electric next car, but at the moment all the relatively affordable ones are too small in size! An $8k rebate on a Y could be the difference between it being a dream and at least a potential option...

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#2390959 13-Jan-2020 12:33

I expect confirmation only after another successful election from Labour.

As for the 80k limit & tesla the sr+ qualifies as should the base model Y and cybertruck.

Unless prices change or our currency tanks

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#2390963 13-Jan-2020 12:45

In my pursuit of working out what my next car may be I've been trialling the likely options - noting the post above, this probably won't be a full EV but likely to be a PHEV or hybrid.

So I was interested in test driving the new version of the Outlander PHEV; I've driven the previous 2.0 version, and so was particularly interested to see if the new (larger) engine made a difference to what was a relatively blah car at open road speeds. Rocked up to the local Mitsi dealer - McVery Crawford in PN - only to be told they won't let me test drive their demo as it only had a couple of hundred ks on it. Are the PHEVs so in demand that they sell themselves, so they can/need to take this approach?

[As an aside, this experience contrasts so strongly with my experience last month with the local Toyota guys, who were totally obliging. They knew I wasn't looking to buy in the short-term, but working out well in advance what I'd be looking to get in a year or so - and yet still had no issue letting me drive the top-spec Camry and RAV4 hybrids. I know which company I'll be happy to actually go back to and purchase from; and if I end up buying an Outlander, it certainly won't be bought from that dealership.]

And, going back to the rebate question - here's hoping the new RAV4 PHEV comes in at under $80k (if that's where the final limit sits), as that could make for an interesting purchase!

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#2390964 13-Jan-2020 12:47

jonathan18:

And, going back to the rebate question - here's hoping the new RAV4 PHEV comes in at under $80k (if that's where the final limit sits), as that could make for an interesting purchase!

You won't get the same rebate on a PHEV as you will with a BEV.

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#2390966 13-Jan-2020 12:52

RobDickinson: I expect confirmation only after another successful election from Labour.

As for the 80k limit & tesla the sr+ qualifies as should the base model Y and cybertruck.

Unless prices change or our currency tanks

Yeah, I was thinking it would be in Tesla's best interest to ensure they have base models under the limit. It seems, though, that the cheapest 3 is currently $75,900 - if that's reflective of pricing when the Y finally gets here, isn't it likely the premium for that over the 3 mean that it will exceed that limit? I guess they could always introduce a slightly cut-down version to keep the price down. (And, if the differences are electronic, allow one to pay for the upgrade afterwards!)

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#2390968 13-Jan-2020 12:56

jonathan18: Are the PHEVs so in demand that they sell themselves, so they can/need to take this approach?

They sold 460 Outlander PHEVs in 2019 (out of 7500 sales for mitsubishi). I suggest not.

Its odd, why would they not let you test a car?

Anyhow I found my 2.0 PHEV ok on the open road and zippy enough if you have battery charge, its certainly not sortly but was fine.

The 2.4 isnt much more powerfull but should have a bit more pep

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#2390972 13-Jan-2020 13:01

jonathan18:

RobDickinson: I expect confirmation only after another successful election from Labour.

As for the 80k limit & tesla the sr+ qualifies as should the base model Y and cybertruck.

Unless prices change or our currency tanks

Yeah, I was thinking it would be in Tesla's best interest to ensure they have base models under the limit. It seems, though, that the cheapest 3 is currently $75,900 - if that's reflective of pricing when the Y finally gets here, isn't it likely the premium for that over the 3 mean that it will exceed that limit? I guess they could always introduce a slightly cut-down version to keep the price down. (And, if the differences are electronic, allow one to pay for the upgrade afterwards!)

Hmm there is no current SR+ model Y, the base spec is Long range RWD, I'm sure there was one at one point... That model certainly wont be under 80k.

Tesla have made concessions ot get models under caps before (in Canada) but didnt in UK or Australia

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#2390975 13-Jan-2020 13:06

RobDickinson:

Hmm there is no current SR+ model Y, the base spec is Long range RWD, I'm sure there was one at one point... That model certainly wont be under 80k.

Tesla have made concessions ot get models under caps before (in Canada) but didnt in UK or Australia

They're doing it similar to how they did the Model 3. They'll start with the Long Range versions and then half a year to a year later they'll introduce the standard range. NZ arrival will likely be similar to the Model 3 and won't happen until after the SR is released in the US in 2021.

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#2391001 13-Jan-2020 13:38

RobDickinson:

jonathan18: Are the PHEVs so in demand that they sell themselves, so they can/need to take this approach?

They sold 460 Outlander PHEVs in 2019 (out of 7500 sales for mitsubishi). I suggest not.

That Mitis sales total is only cars/Suvs, they sold an additional 5000 utes, so Outlander PHEVs are an even smaller portion...

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#2391004 13-Jan-2020 13:44

RobDickinson:

Tesla have made concessions ot get models under caps before (in Canada) but didnt in UK or Australia

That's because Canada's concession scheme is nutty,

If you have any model that fits under its cap/spec, then ALL of your models become eligible for the $$$

Aust's cap is simply its Luxury car tax level, which is a 33% levy on the portion over the tax level.

The Uk scheme is a standard $$$ per EV ( PHEVs no longer count) it has no limit, so you can get it on a I-pace etc,

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#2391005 13-Jan-2020 13:47

wellygary:

The Uk scheme is a standard $$$ per EV ( PHEVs no longer count) it has no limit, so you can get it on a I-pace etc,

The UK EV subsidy yes but cars over £40k pay an additional £320 car tax per year regardless of fuel. This includes those charges that bring the SR+ over 40k (its judged before the 3500 subsidy). it misses out buy a few hundred £ I think.

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#2391007 13-Jan-2020 13:55

wellygary:

RobDickinson:

jonathan18: Are the PHEVs so in demand that they sell themselves, so they can/need to take this approach?

They sold 460 Outlander PHEVs in 2019 (out of 7500 sales for mitsubishi). I suggest not.

That Mitis sales total is only cars/Suvs, they sold an additional 5000 utes, so Outlander PHEVs are an even smaller portion...

Interesting to know it's not due to scarcity; makes it seem even more precious than I thought.

The understanding I got is that it's an anti 'tyre-kickers' policy and they're only letting the truly committed drive it, and even then not at the moment; because I'm not planning on buying the car in the next few weeks I fall into that tyre-kickers category (but if I was planning on buying it in their Feb sale they'd be so generous as to let me drive it then).

Surprising how willing some companies are to put future sales at risk; as I said to the sales agent, I may not end up with a Mitsubishi for my next car, but what about the one after that? I'll think back to that experience, for sure. Reputational damage can be hard to recover from - just ask the Red Cross in the US, who no doubt rue the day the agreed to charge for their donuts in WWII!

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#2391010 13-Jan-2020 13:57

The golden rule of any PHEV in NZ is it will never be charged for a test drive anyhow. We had to charge on the go for a while to experience it in EV mode...

Anyhow my advice is not to go mitsubishi due to their poor BMS system.

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