Nissan LEAF - General

Forums › Transport (cars, bikes and boats) › Nissan LEAF - General

1 | ... | 230 | 231 | 232 | 233 | 234 | 235 | 236 | 237 | 238 | 239 | 240 | ... | 260

1617 posts

Uber Geek

#2952904 10-Aug-2022 11:19

I agree with above comment about not being concerned (mine also was the same).

Just for education and to manage expectations though, a Leaf that is consistently Quick Charged will tend to be optimistic on the SoH by 1% - 3 %. Nothing to worry about, but if you were to switch to a slow-charge regime (like most kiwi's would) and you were watching Leaf-Spy like a hawk, you will see SoH drop a little - conversely if you then do a couple of Quick Charges you will see it rise again.

jonathan18

7413 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Trusted

#2952958 10-Aug-2022 11:36

mkissin:
ToPGuNZ:

The main thing I am cautious of is the number of high quick chargers vs the number of slow charges. A lot of current cars coming in (for specs I am after) have a higher number of quick chargers than slow. The question, what number is too high? This one at 481 seems not too high to me and worth a look at or should I only look at ones with very low quick charging?

I wouldn't worry about this, my leaf (2013) was this way when I got it as well and it's been fine.

... whereas ours (also 2013) was this way too, and battery life has deteriorated fairly significantly in the 4.5 years we've owned it. Personally it is something I'd be wary of, and if I was buying a Leaf again I would only look at those with a low proportion of fast charges.

Back then I know it was hard to find the ideal features and specs (our requirement was one with a full suite of airbags) as well as the ideal in terms of battery condition - not sure if it's any easier now?

mkissin

388 posts

Ultimate Geek

ID Verified

#2952962 10-Aug-2022 11:55

jonathan18:

... whereas ours (also 2013) was this way too, and battery life has deteriorated fairly significantly in the 4.5 years we've owned it. Personally it is something I'd be wary of, and if I was buying a Leaf again I would only look at those with a low proportion of fast charges.

Back then I know it was hard to find the ideal features and specs (our requirement was one with a full suite of airbags) as well as the ideal in terms of battery condition - not sure if it's any easier now?

That's interesting. 4.5 years is a reasonable period of time. Is the deterioration worse than would be expected from the flip-the-fleet data?

I've had mine now for about 2 years and the SoH has barely moved.

ToPGuNZ

389 posts

Ultimate Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2953020 10-Aug-2022 14:06

Thanks @mkissin and @tripper1000 for your comments. I plan to follow up further with this vehicle so will be interesting to see if it works out.

@jonathan18 yes it is still very hard to get the spec you want with limited options available means taking some risk or compromises. Stock got very low this year with some dealers having nothing at all and it is just starting to pick up again. White is the most common available and I'm not keen on that which makes it even harder.

GV27

5896 posts

Uber Geek

#2953021 10-Aug-2022 14:08

There has definitely been a slow-down of the ZE1s I'm seeing at auction - at least in the spec I want it in!

jonathan18

7413 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Trusted

#2953135 10-Aug-2022 17:47

mkissin:

That's interesting. 4.5 years is a reasonable period of time. Is the deterioration worse than would be expected from the flip-the-fleet data?

I've had mine now for about 2 years and the SoH has barely moved.

TBH, I gave up fairly early on tracking battery degradation as it was a bit depressing! As such I've not compared it to the wider dataset.

It's been frustrating experiencing this, when others such as my sister's and yours have had nothing like this drop-off. It's certainly put me off thinking of buying another Leaf when the time comes to replace my wife's Leaf; while we may have been unlucky, statistically speaking, it's a risk I'm not comfortable taking.

Luckily, even with the range much more significantly depleted (we get just over 100km urban), it's usually more than adequate for my wife's usage; but those small number of cases where she needs much more distance are going to be trickier as she's said she's not keen on driving my Model Y (which arrives next week) long distances by herself.

mkissin

388 posts

Ultimate Geek

ID Verified

#2953143 10-Aug-2022 18:04

That’s totally fair.
I get about 120km on mine now, I think, urban driving. Almost all I do though is hilly motorway, so I actually get a reasonable amount less. Mine is also the second car so it really just has to get me to work and back every day, which it’s more than adequate for.
The data on the 40kwh leaf’s is (so far) looking better than even the 30’s, which are in turn better then the really poor 25kWh units.
I’m in the same boat, overall. For what I spent, the leaf is magic, but if I was to spend more (by looking at a 40kwhr for example), I would probably look elsewhere. That’s tempered by availability though, which is poor across the board at the moment.

Equinox IT

Cloud spending continues to surge globally, but most organisations haven’t made the changes necessary to maximise the value and cost-efficiency benefits of their cloud investments. Download the whitepaper From Overspend to Advantage now.

HarmLessSolutions

969 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

#2953147 10-Aug-2022 18:09

jonathan18:

mkissin:

That's interesting. 4.5 years is a reasonable period of time. Is the deterioration worse than would be expected from the flip-the-fleet data?

I've had mine now for about 2 years and the SoH has barely moved.

TBH, I gave up fairly early on tracking battery degradation as it was a bit depressing! As such I've not compared it to the wider dataset.

It's been frustrating experiencing this, when others such as my sister's and yours have had nothing like this drop-off. It's certainly put me off thinking of buying another Leaf when the time comes to replace my wife's Leaf; while we may have been unlucky, statistically speaking, it's a risk I'm not comfortable taking.

Luckily, even with the range much more significantly depleted (we get just over 100km urban), it's usually more than adequate for my wife's usage; but those small number of cases where she needs much more distance are going to be trickier as she's said she's not keen on driving my Model Y (which arrives next week) long distances by herself.

Our 2012 Leaf is close to having done 90,000kms now and it's SOH is somewhere in the low 60s (TBH I haven't checked lately). Range is starting to become an issue for our jaunts into New Plymouth from our rural location so we're waiting intently on EVs Enhanced making an announcement on the pricing of their 'blade' battery replacement pack. The attraction is not so much about increased range as more capacity to consider in terms of the Leaf's V2G capability as our new Polestar2 doesn't have this potential functionality. The idea of using our Leaf as a Powerwall on wheels to enhance the viability of our PV installation appeals greatly especially due to EV Enhanced's blade battery use of LFP chemistry.

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

everettpsycho

614 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2953195 10-Aug-2022 20:46

HarmLessSolutions: Range is starting to become an issue for our jaunts into New Plymouth from our rural location so we're waiting intently on EVs Enhanced making an announcement on the pricing of their 'blade' battery replacement pack. The attraction is not so much about increased range as more capacity to consider in terms of the Leaf's V2G capability as our new Polestar2 doesn't have this potential functionality. The idea of using our Leaf as a Powerwall on wheels to enhance the viability of our PV installation appeals greatly especially due to EV Enhanced's blade battery use of LFP chemistry.

Also worth remembering they've said you will be able to take your old cells away if you upgrade and they could integrate in a system like this. I don't think they'd offer much for those old batteries in their condition so if it's a system you're looking in to it's something that might be worth considering as well.

Last I saw they were commenting on their youtube videos saying they are making a video about the cooling system next but that's already overdue. Seeing as they had planned to release this year I'm hoping there's some form of follow up soon. I'm in no rush to upgrade either of mine but if the price is right I might look in to it, that extra bit of range isn't something we need often but having find all in with two of the things it would be nice to be able to do weekend trips without multiple charging stops.

Scott3

3963 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2953201 10-Aug-2022 21:01

ToPGuNZ:

Hi, I am purchasing a car so have decided to go electric. After initially looking at a 30kWh Leaf which would be fine for my daily commute we have decided to go for a 40kWh for looks, airbags, better battery life etc.

One I am looking at has the following pictures provided by a local dealer for SOH report and auction paper.

The main thing I am cautious of is the number of high quick chargers vs the number of slow charges. A lot of current cars coming in (for specs I am after) have a higher number of quick chargers than slow. The question, what number is too high? This one at 481 seems not too high to me and worth a look at or should I only look at ones with very low quick charging?

Or should I just ignore charging stats and rely on the dealer coming to the party if SOH drops considerably?

You thoughts on this would be appreciated.

2017 model with 30,432km and 88.71% SOH

For your use case, I wouldn't be too worried about the number of fast charges. But as tripper1000 indicates, be aware that there is a "glow", that makes the leafspy readings optimistic in the wake of a bunch of fast charges, so expect a drop in reported health by a few percentage points when you move to slow charging. This is nothing to do with actual battery health, just a qwerk in how they are reported.

From flip the fleet, It looks like the current SOH reading puts the car around about the 50th percentile, but the expected drop could push it down lower.

Wouldn't rely on the dealer to do anything if there is a SOH drop. And you should expect a drop.

That said, given you don't need the range, I think it is fine for you to accept a lesser health 40kWh, to keep the price closer to that of a 30kWh.

As you can see in the above graph, 30kWh cars are more prone to degradation, than 40kWH & 24kWh. And the batteries are a bit more prone to failure, I think that would be a good call if it was what was needed to get into a 40kWh.

We accepted fairly low (cira 5th percentile) battery health, and over 1100 fast charges on our 24kWh, because it met our range needs, and it ment the car was relatively cheap.

ToPGuNZ

389 posts

Ultimate Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2953504 11-Aug-2022 13:58

Scott3:

For your use case, I wouldn't be too worried about the number of fast charges. But as tripper1000 indicates, be aware that there is a "glow", that makes the leafspy readings optimistic in the wake of a bunch of fast charges, so expect a drop in reported health by a few percentage points when you move to slow charging. This is nothing to do with actual battery health, just a qwerk in how they are reported.

Thank you Scott3, that helps make things clear. Looking forward to chatting with the dealer tomorrow who is holding the car for me. It is the closest I have found that meets my specs and budget that is also local so I can see it in person easier.

GV27

5896 posts

Uber Geek

#2962337 2-Sep-2022 13:00

I don't suppose there's a way to see if a car has a 6kw charger fitted without seeing under the bonnet of a ZE1 model Leaf i.e. a slight difference in the charging port itself? Almost no one at auction takes a photo under the bonnet and I've seen cars I know have it pass through without it being mentioned on the sheet.

E: It's a nice-to-have but I've got a lead on a cheap home charger, but it's pointless if I don't get a car with a 6kw charger fitted. Plus the whole 'quicker turnaround on slow-charge thing' might help me be nice to the battery.

al8565

50 posts

Geek

#2962452 2-Sep-2022 18:19

GV27:

I don't suppose there's a way to see if a car has a 6kw charger fitted without seeing under the bonnet of a ZE1 model Leaf i.e. a slight difference in the charging port itself? Almost no one at auction takes a photo under the bonnet and I've seen cars I know have it pass through without it being mentioned on the sheet.

E: It's a nice-to-have but I've got a lead on a cheap home charger, but it's pointless if I don't get a car with a 6kw charger fitted. Plus the whole 'quicker turnaround on slow-charge thing' might help me be nice to the battery.

The Japanese import Leaf's don't have the 6kW charger, I thought only the UK models did.

Nissan Leaf 6.6 kW charger - Andrew Fixes

everettpsycho

614 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2962463 2-Sep-2022 19:35

GV27:
I don't suppose there's a way to see if a car has a 6kw charger fitted without seeing under the bonnet of a ZE1 model Leaf i.e. a slight difference in the charging port itself? Almost no one at auction takes a photo under the bonnet and I've seen cars I know have it pass through without it being mentioned on the sheet.

E: It's a nice-to-have but I've got a lead on a cheap home charger, but it's pointless if I don't get a car with a 6kw charger fitted. Plus the whole 'quicker turnaround on slow-charge thing' might help me be nice to the battery.

Only other option is there's a display on the dash for charging time that is apparently different with the 6kw charger installed. But no one would photograph that either.

It's very rare on a Japanese model so I wouldn't be expecting to find one at all. It is nice having the dedicated charging box now we have one installed, it just makes it easier and means we don't overload the garage circuit. It would be nicer to have the bigger on board charger to make more use id free public charging and the one we have at work. EVs enhanced seem to think it's a simple swap out but it's sourcing the bigger unit that's the hard bit.

GV27

5896 posts

Uber Geek

#2962727 3-Sep-2022 17:27

everettpsycho:

It's very rare on a Japanese model so I wouldn't be expecting to find one at all. It is nice having the dedicated charging box now we have one installed, it just makes it easier and means we don't overload the garage circuit. It would be nicer to have the bigger on board charger to make more use id free public charging and the one we have at work. EVs enhanced seem to think it's a simple swap out but it's sourcing the bigger unit that's the hard bit.

Even the classified sites (Goo, CarSensor) seem to very infrequently show the underneath of the bonnet anyway.

Having said that, I've seen cars that definitely have it go through auction and no one mentions it. It's not a very highly rated feature by the sound of it.

There's a guy on OzLeaf who swapped over a European-sourced PDM but he swapped over the Type 1 port to a Type 2 port as well. Someone in the replies is trying to do the same but keep the Type 1 plug.

Maybe I'll just get one and wait for E+ units to start showing up at wreckers.

1 | ... | 230 | 231 | 232 | 233 | 234 | 235 | 236 | 237 | 238 | 239 | 240 | ... | 260