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#1727894 28-Feb-2017 19:42

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Can you tell me please what the cost of a brand new Nissan Leaf is in NZ?

No, bacuse Nissan have stopped selling them here, they were 60-70K when they first went on sale a few years ago.

It looks like Gazley, for example, may sell new Nissan Leafs?

http://www.gazley.com/electric

Gazley have a nice side line importing 2nd hand leafs from Japan, but they cannot source New ones as the distributor Nisan NZ pulled the rug on them last year

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/77631381/NZ-switch-to-electric-vehicles-stalls-after-Nissan-pulls-plug-on-NZ-Leaf-sales

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#1727992 28-Feb-2017 21:57

You can buy "delivery km only" near new leaf's, but not a "New" leaf in NZ.

Basically the importers could import near new used cars from places with big subsidies (cira NZ$10k - Japan and UK). Nissan NZ couldn't even come close to those prices (I think the big countries get a better deal from the factory also), so chose to pull out of selling leaf's in NZ.

If you want a New EV in NZ, Hit up BMW, Tesla, Hyundai (ioniq coming very soon), Mitsubishi (plug in hybrid only) or Renault. The following are expected this year: VW egolf and the LDV EV80 van.

Or hit up trademe, and take your pick from the near new EV's available in the UK and Japan at much lower prices than buying new.

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#1728039 1-Mar-2017 07:00

...and buy "near-new" LEAFs we mean many that are imported have as little as 16km on the clock. They buy them, get the subsidies....park them the required amount of time to keep the subsidy / rebate...and then put them on a boat.

So Kiwis do have access to EV subsidies.......from other countries and indirectly. I this is a big reason why the 30-odd Renault Zoe with 41kWh battery arriving soon at EV Central in Taupo are cheap and here before Renault NZ are selling the same bigger battery models. They have a 300km range.....which is pretty amazing for the price.

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#1729022 2-Mar-2017 16:49

Well......summer is coming to an end and people are getting busy installing EV fast chargers.

Today Charge.Net activated their new 50kw DC fast charger at 1 Serlby Place in Porirua.

The Wellington region (including Kapiti and Featherston) now has 6 DC fast chargers, all courtesy of Charge.Net.

The list so far.....

Serlby Place, Porirua
Dowse Art Gallery in Lower Hutt
Z Station at Jackson St, Petone
Z Station in Vivian St, Wellington
New World, Featherston
New World, Otaki

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#1729307 3-Mar-2017 10:02

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...and buy "near-new" LEAFs we mean many that are imported have as little as 16km on the clock. They buy them, get the subsidies....park them the required amount of time to keep the subsidy / rebate...and then put them on a boat.

So Kiwis do have access to EV subsidies.......from other countries and indirectly. I this is a big reason why the 30-odd Renault Zoe with 41kWh battery arriving soon at EV Central in Taupo are cheap and here before Renault NZ are selling the same bigger battery models. They have a 300km range.....which is pretty amazing for the price.

Yes, the Renault Zoe R90 with 41kWh battery looks to be a good improvement on, say, the Nissan Leaf. I see that EV Central in Taupo are importing them with 1000km on the clock, but does Renault NZ sell them brand new?

You say they are cheap, and sure the price of $39,990 is quite competitive, but I see they are sold in the UK for 25,495 pounds. EV Central says that placing such a large order gives them the ability to offer fantastic pricing at nearly 1/2 the recommended retail price in New Zealand, so why would the "full" price be so expensive in NZ?

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frednz:

Linuxluver:

...and buy "near-new" LEAFs we mean many that are imported have as little as 16km on the clock. They buy them, get the subsidies....park them the required amount of time to keep the subsidy / rebate...and then put them on a boat.

So Kiwis do have access to EV subsidies.......from other countries and indirectly. I this is a big reason why the 30-odd Renault Zoe with 41kWh battery arriving soon at EV Central in Taupo are cheap and here before Renault NZ are selling the same bigger battery models. They have a 300km range.....which is pretty amazing for the price.

Yes, the Renault Zoe R90 with 41kWh battery looks to be a good improvement on, say, the Nissan Leaf. I see that EV Central in Taupo are importing them with 1000km on the clock, but does Renault NZ sell them brand new?

You say they are cheap, and sure the price of $39,990 is quite competitive, but I see they are sold in the UK for 25,495 pounds. EV Central says that placing such a large order gives them the ability to offer fantastic pricing at nearly 1/2 the recommended retail price in New Zealand, so why would the "full" price be so expensive in NZ?

Fred

What is the RRP for a Zoe (42kW) in NZ? I thought it was $69990? Is it more than that? If so, why wouldn't you buy one from EV Central? $39990 is a great price IMO (too much for me, $18k is the most I've ever spent on a car, and that was a rare treat). 25,500 pounds is about $50k here. Add freight and the 'NZ tax' I'd expect we'd be paying about the $70k mark for them. Rip Off I know, but hopefully EV Central selling them for $40k makes Renault re-think their pricing.

ps. Is the UK price before or after their rebate? Does it include VAT?

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#1729374 3-Mar-2017 12:14

I still wonder why Nissan nz doesn't buy ex uk (or ex japan)low milage cars ship them here and resell as "approved" here.

Probably because all their profit is in selling the cars as they have minimal running/servicing costs.

(my uk leaf was ex nissan demo model)

If my leaf "died" tomorrow I must admit that Zoe deal would be the one I'd go for..

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#1729443 3-Mar-2017 14:55

trig42:

frednz:

Linuxluver:

...and buy "near-new" LEAFs we mean many that are imported have as little as 16km on the clock. They buy them, get the subsidies....park them the required amount of time to keep the subsidy / rebate...and then put them on a boat.

So Kiwis do have access to EV subsidies.......from other countries and indirectly. I this is a big reason why the 30-odd Renault Zoe with 41kWh battery arriving soon at EV Central in Taupo are cheap and here before Renault NZ are selling the same bigger battery models. They have a 300km range.....which is pretty amazing for the price.

Yes, the Renault Zoe R90 with 41kWh battery looks to be a good improvement on, say, the Nissan Leaf. I see that EV Central in Taupo are importing them with 1000km on the clock, but does Renault NZ sell them brand new?

You say they are cheap, and sure the price of $39,990 is quite competitive, but I see they are sold in the UK for 25,495 pounds. EV Central says that placing such a large order gives them the ability to offer fantastic pricing at nearly 1/2 the recommended retail price in New Zealand, so why would the "full" price be so expensive in NZ?

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What is the RRP for a Zoe (42kW) in NZ? I thought it was $69990? Is it more than that? If so, why wouldn't you buy one from EV Central? $39990 is a great price IMO (too much for me, $18k is the most I've ever spent on a car, and that was a rare treat). 25,500 pounds is about $50k here. Add freight and the 'NZ tax' I'd expect we'd be paying about the $70k mark for them. Rip Off I know, but hopefully EV Central selling them for $40k makes Renault re-think their pricing.

ps. Is the UK price before or after their rebate? Does it include VAT?

It looks like the UK price for a Renault R90 Z.E Signature starts from 19895 pounds plus 59 pounds per month for battery rental OR 25495 pounds for an outright purchase including battery, which I assume would be after the Government's 4500 pound plug-in car grant.

I would prefer to see a brand new R90 at a NZ Renault dealer and check out the price before buying a second-hand one from EV Central in Taupo. There may be advantages to buying a brand new R90 from an official Renault dealer, particularly with regard to servicing the car if things go wrong?

However, even at $40,000 for a low-km second-hand R90 from EV Central, this still costs a lot more than buying equivalent performance petrol-only cars (such as a Honda Jazz etc). And if an official Renault dealer charges around $70,000 for a R90, then I doubt whether they would sell many, they are simply too expensive for what you get (IMHO).

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#1729454 3-Mar-2017 15:06

afe66:

I still wonder why Nissan nz doesn't buy ex uk (or ex japan)low milage cars ship them here and resell as "approved" here.

Probably because all their profit is in selling the cars as they have minimal running/servicing costs.

(my uk leaf was ex nissan demo model)

If my leaf "died" tomorrow I must admit that Zoe deal would be the one I'd go for..

A.

I think the main advantage of the Renault Zoe R90 is that it has an impressive range of 200km (in very cold weather) to 300km (in summer). I didn't realise there would be such a difference in range depending on whether the car is run in winter or summer, but these are the figures quoted by Renault. Apparently, the NEDC range is a maximum of 250 miles, but for practical running purposes this is reduced (by Renault) to 186 miles (300km).

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#1729488 3-Mar-2017 15:49

Too bad GM is not making a right hand drive version of this car: The Opel Ampera - its selling like hot cakes in Norway at the moment. Retail price starts at $48.300 NZD (with tax exemption) for a well equipped EV with a range of up to 520 KM (NEDC) or 380 KM (WLTP). Last range is probably pretty much what you will actually experience.

A couple of Google translated articles from Norway:

Price of Opel Ampera

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#1729498 3-Mar-2017 16:14

I am getting a lot of inquiries from all over the world in regards to our High Voltage Battery Analysers.

Today's inquiry from Sri Lanka was not only smart, the correspondent understood the importance of second hand / salvaged Battery Capacity Testing, but it had also provided some feedback about Leaf EVs over there.

Without exposing the correspondent, here are some interesting notes to take, quote:

"... we have about 7,000 nissan leaf cars in this country which are losing hv battery soh/capacity very fast due to high ambient temperatures. .......my own car has lost about 40% capacity in less than 3 years. .....
if you guys are able to provide a solution, please let me know the answers to the following questions...
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5.) are you able to source nissan leaf battery modules? need capacity guarantee if they're salvaged modules."

end of Quote

I was educating people for years that buying salvaged battery packs from wreckers without those being tested for Usable Remaining Capacity is a huge gamble.

Odometer is never an indication of what the condition and state of health of the battery.

I would be interested to buy (or get for free) and test failed traction batteries from hybrid cars (Prius, Lexus, Camry) and EV.

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#1733040 8-Mar-2017 13:44

Linuxluver

Hope you still around to answer more questions from me.

1. Is it possible to get electrocuted by the battery, I think it is at 48 volts.
2. Been looking at youtube on Leaf, and there seems to be a 12 volt normal car battery in it, what is charging that battery ?
3. Do you know if a UK model Leaf, be able to change from miles to km on the display ?
4. Some of the youtube video show the Leaf having a GPS on the display. If input a destination that is further than the battery can handle, it tells you that. Do you know if if possible to load in NZ maps ?

Thanks

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#1733135 8-Mar-2017 16:12

trig42:

Hunter: Linuxluver

Thanks for more info.
As you said at the start, the point of it all is not how fast 0-100, and there is a cost it it all.
As you said, it is from point of the environment.
I have to respect your conviction by putting your money where your mouth is.
After pulling out the calculator and putting some numbers it, it is not as cheap it says.

I do 100km a day, and at that rate, I doubt the Leaf batteries can handle a year of that kind of charge/discharge rate.
So I have to factor that in as well.

However, I would love to have one, and hook up to my wind generator and Solar.
Please keep the info coming, absolute interesting and definitely will be into it when we are at EV version 3.0

I would think it would last more than a year.

The recommendation for longer battery life is to use it as much as possible between 20 and 80% capacity, and to not use fast DC charging too often.

If you are doing 100km a day, in a newer Leaf, that is about 60% of your battery so you could easily do the 80-20 thing, but if you are slow-charging at home overnight, you won't stress the batteries too much, and won't run them flat during the day either.

True. A newer LEAF (2015 or later) could probably handle 100km / day for 5-6 years.....and I'm guessing based on the rate of degradation seen elsewhere. There are not 6 year old Gen 2 LEAFs. We also have a temperate climate that is perfect for the LEAF battery. The only heavy use scenario I know of that is well documented is a UK-based (mild climate, too) 2013 LEAF taxi that did 273,000km in 3.5 years..... and that's 213km / day average. It's battery is still on 76% - enough to keep doing 100km / day for a while yet. That car had been charge over 13,000 times.....about 1/3 of those were DC fast charges.

If we assume petrol at $2 / litre and a full tank range of 500km with a 35L tank....then we're looking at 14.2 km / Litre. So for 273,000km/14.2 that would be 19225 litres of petrol used....at a cost of about $38450.

If the LEAF was getting 7km / kWh and a kWh cost 20 cents (say).....the cost of the electricity (273,000km/7km*0.2 dollars) used would only be $7,800.....and the owners saves over $30K in fuel costs *alone*.....never mind the lower servicing costs. That's in just 3.5 years. The savings keep growing the longer the car is in use.

The amount saved in petrol alone pretty much pays for a new car.

You can play with the assumptions a little bit and it won't change that much.

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#1733140 8-Mar-2017 16:19

afe66:

I still wonder why Nissan nz doesn't buy ex uk (or ex japan)low milage cars ship them here and resell as "approved" here.

Probably because all their profit is in selling the cars as they have minimal running/servicing costs.

(my uk leaf was ex nissan demo model)

If my leaf "died" tomorrow I must admit that Zoe deal would be the one I'd go for..

A.

Nissan Manukau do import and sell LEAFs from Japan (I've heard) Not sure what warranty they offer, if any. But I did take mine there last week for a $99 service promo they were running. I wanted to encourage that.

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#1733142 8-Mar-2017 16:22

frednz:

Linuxluver:

...and buy "near-new" LEAFs we mean many that are imported have as little as 16km on the clock. They buy them, get the subsidies....park them the required amount of time to keep the subsidy / rebate...and then put them on a boat.

So Kiwis do have access to EV subsidies.......from other countries and indirectly. I this is a big reason why the 30-odd Renault Zoe with 41kWh battery arriving soon at EV Central in Taupo are cheap and here before Renault NZ are selling the same bigger battery models. They have a 300km range.....which is pretty amazing for the price.

Yes, the Renault Zoe R90 with 41kWh battery looks to be a good improvement on, say, the Nissan Leaf. I see that EV Central in Taupo are importing them with 1000km on the clock, but does Renault NZ sell them brand new?

You say they are cheap, and sure the price of $39,990 is quite competitive, but I see they are sold in the UK for 25,495 pounds. EV Central says that placing such a large order gives them the ability to offer fantastic pricing at nearly 1/2 the recommended retail price in New Zealand, so why would the "full" price be so expensive in NZ?

Fred

Renault here don't yet sell the 41kWh Zoe as far as I know. Why so expensive? You'd have to ask Renault. Maybe to discourage sales while at the same time having a tick on the box? I don't know. But that 41kWh Zoe for $39k is damned attractive. I could save a LOT of money on petrol driving that one. :-)

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