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mattwnz
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  #3182840 17-Jan-2024 01:07
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kemosabe:

 

Yeah this has royally screwed PHEV cars with small batteries, but all PHEV will be paying above the odds for longer trips.

 

 

 

 

Yes and that is what I told a new car dealer last year when we were looking at PHEVs and he agreed that PHEVs are going to be a tough sell with the uncertainty. But we have known this was likely going to happen for some time. I did read or hear somewhere of the idea that PHEV owners maybe able to apply for a refund on some RUCs, similar to the current system where diesels can apply for a refund if going offroad at https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/Vehicles/docs/RUC/off-road-ruc-refund-guidelines-202003.pdf . But if that was allowed in the future, it is going to involve a lot of admin and logging and honesty. IMO Nationals changes could really slow down EV adoption unless people have a free or very cheap source of electricity. IMO Hybrids are going to get the best value out of these changes. There is a reason why RAV4 hybrids have a year waiting list. 




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  #3182841 17-Jan-2024 01:09
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Zeon:

 

I wonder if a PHEV can be converted to straight hybrid by removing the charging port?

 

 

 

 

The fact that this is even being discussed as a solution just shows how ridiculous and backwards this new governments changes are. The whole point of the PHEV is that it can avoid any CO2 emissions for most local trips.


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  #3182861 17-Jan-2024 08:05
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This was always going to happen and at the same rate as light diesels.

I used to drive a Peugeot 407 2.0 diesel. The year up to the end of June 2023 (when I sold it) I had done 22,000km. Of that there was $1,690 RUC and $2,745 of diesel.

Since the 1st July 2023 I’ve been driving a Model 3, done 12,000km and spent about $350 of electricity. The RUC for that distance would be about $920. So assume I do 24,000km a year it would be $700 electricity and $1840 RUC.

Not including maintenance or any other expenses. The pug cost $4,435 and the model 3 should cost $2,540. So still cheaper to run the EV over a diesel.



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  #3182876 17-Jan-2024 09:02
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Any authoritative sources for if/how RUCs are going to apply to two wheels? All the guidance on the Waka Kotahi NZTA website have 4 wheels.

 

I've got a wee BEV motorcycle/motorscooter (this one) which is fantastic for commuting. Weighs a little over 100kg. Seems a bit rough that the cost per km could be the same as a three tonne diesel SUV.


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  #3182878 17-Jan-2024 09:04
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Its only cars, scooters remain exempt


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  #3182879 17-Jan-2024 09:05
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Believe it or not there are a couple diesel motorcycles around, and they've never paid. 


 
 
 
 

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  #3182883 17-Jan-2024 09:13
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The definitions on light vehicles for RUC purposes are based on "Powered vehicle with 2 axles" ( RUC regs 2012)

 

Bikes and Scooters are exempt because they don't have axles

 

and yes they define axles, so there is no way a bike will qualify...

 

"axle means 1 or more shafts, spindles, or bearings in the same vertical transverse plane by means of which, in conjunction with wheels mounted on those shafts, spindles, or bearings, a portion of the weight of the vehicle is transmitted to the roadway"


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  #3182888 17-Jan-2024 09:17
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MikeB4:

 

When it's time to replace the PHEV we will buy a petrol or diesel SUV. 

 

 

The PHEV seemed to be an ideal solution for a lot of people but with these new costs  it's  a no no.  I know of several people with PHEV  who don't bother  doing a regular charge and just use it as a  normal hybrid.





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  #3182889 17-Jan-2024 09:18
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It wouldn't surprise me if the government decided that mobility scooters and electric wheelchairs should pay RUCs. 





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  #3182893 17-Jan-2024 09:27
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wellygary:

The definitions on light vehicles for RUC purposes are based on "Powered vehicle with 2 axles" ( RUC regs 2012)


Bikes and Scooters are exempt because they don't have axles


and yes they define axles, so there is no way a bike will qualify...


"axle means 1 or more shafts, spindles, or bearings in the same vertical transverse plane by means of which, in conjunction with wheels mounted on those shafts, spindles, or bearings, a portion of the weight of the vehicle is transmitted to the roadway"



Great so bring on inhub EVs, problem solved .....well for awhile at least.

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  #3182895 17-Jan-2024 09:27
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wellygary:

The definitions on light vehicles for RUC purposes are based on "Powered vehicle with 2 axles" ( RUC regs 2012)


Bikes and Scooters are exempt because they don't have axles


and yes they define axles, so there is no way a bike will qualify...


"axle means 1 or more shafts, spindles, or bearings in the same vertical transverse plane by means of which, in conjunction with wheels mounted on those shafts, spindles, or bearings, a portion of the weight of the vehicle is transmitted to the roadway"



Dunno I read that and think a motorbike has two axles!

 
 
 

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  #3182898 17-Jan-2024 09:38
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Dunno I read that and think a motorbike has two axles!

 

 

 

Yeah, seems pretty clearly qualifying to me as well: two wheels, mounted on bearings in the transverse plane, each transmitting a portion of the bike's weight to the road.





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  #3182925 17-Jan-2024 10:06
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The two wheels on a Motor cycle are in the longitudinal plane not the transverse plane.


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  #3182937 17-Jan-2024 10:58
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mattwnz:

 

Zeon:

 

I wonder if a PHEV can be converted to straight hybrid by removing the charging port?

 

 

 

 

The fact that this is even being discussed as a solution just shows how ridiculous and backwards this new governments changes are. The whole point of the PHEV is that it can avoid any CO2 emissions for most local trips.

 

 

Actually I think the pricing for the PHEV is smart. I'd suggest the average driving profile for most car owners would allow a PHEV owner to complete nearly all trips within the range of the battery. A smart PHEV owner will pay much less for RUC and fuel tax than a BEV owner will in RUC.

 

A PHEV gives range flexibility and the ability to run only on electricity. One vehicle for both purposes. 

 

One vehicle for daily running about with no emmisions and reduced RUC but it can be used for the annual holiday trip.





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  #3182939 17-Jan-2024 11:00
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old3eyes:

 

MikeB4:

 

When it's time to replace the PHEV we will buy a petrol or diesel SUV. 

 

 

The PHEV seemed to be an ideal solution for a lot of people but with these new costs  it's  a no no.  I know of several people with PHEV  who don't bother  doing a regular charge and just use it as a  normal hybrid.

 

 

This pricing regime will get them to plug in at home. That has to be a win.





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