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5897 posts

Uber Geek

#2747949 22-Jul-2021 08:15

You're also going to wear out a small battery with charging faster to travel the same number of kms as you would in a car with a larger battery.

I note Mazda does not talk about this when they mention the 'environmental' benefits of producing a smaller battery.

Perhaps I would be more charitable if they offered a model with a larger one you could pay extra for, but as a solo offering, I am remain unimpressed.

mikebails

97 posts

Master Geek

#2747951 22-Jul-2021 08:20

I've got no problem with Mazda providing a smaller battery, but the price HAS to reflect that! If the car was $50k then you could argue that its a good deal, but not at $75k.

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2747952 22-Jul-2021 08:20

gzt:
RobDickinson: Do you work for mazda?

Says the man who recommended a Mini. Do you work for Mini? : ).

No, I think BMW's EV strategy is somewhat misguided, and get this I actually like mazda, my previous car was a mazda and it isnt the only one I've owned.

The Mini was the closest in terms of spec that I could think of, sure it has a smaller boot but how much does that matter with a self confessed city run about?

It wont even be able to do chc to akaroa and back without stopping to charge which is pretty poor for a 2021 ev of any kind.

Its good they have started EVs but its late and off the state of play at the moment

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2747955 22-Jul-2021 08:22

mikebails:

I've got no problem with Mazda providing a smaller battery, but the price HAS to reflect that! If the car was $50k then you could argue that its a good deal, but not at $75k.

interesting if you take the UK price (pre gov rebate, and this includes a 17.5% vat/gst) of £28,500 thats $56,000 a much more reasonable price.

GV27

5897 posts

Uber Geek

#2747959 22-Jul-2021 08:26

RobDickinson:

Its good they have started EVs but its late and off the state of play at the moment

The Mini EV has some weird legacy i3 bits from memory? There's a new platform coming:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mini/mini/107999/new-all-electric-2023-mini-hatch-spied-snow

They're going to have to aim for at least 300km and decent fast charging this time around or else the 208 will destroy it.

The absence of a five door/Countryman Pure EV option is also getting harder to justify.

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2747965 22-Jul-2021 08:31

Yeah the mini uses the current i3 power/drivetrain etc, its well proven tech at least (if not cutting edge).

GV27

5897 posts

Uber Geek

#2747969 22-Jul-2021 08:43

RobDickinson:

Yeah the mini uses the current i3 power/drivetrain etc, its well proven tech at least (if not cutting edge).

It's so far from cutting edge it's not funny. 50kw charging in 2021 does not an attractive proposition make.

It's a let down because I badly want one second-hand eventually, but that's not even really viable brand new today.

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morrisk

364 posts

Ultimate Geek

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#2748071 22-Jul-2021 11:20

Batman:
Technofreak: Mazda also explain why they have given the ranges they have to the MX30, based around the environmental impacts of producing the battery.

I'm glad somebody acknowledged that!

Not to mention the environmental impacts of producing and using petrol/diesel for ICE - I think this needs to also be acknowledged when considering the impact of producing batteries.

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2748129 22-Jul-2021 12:49

https://youtu.be/AfP85iAWD3w

Fun carwow video where his mum shops for a new EV. We dont get some of the options as yet but we should do (mostly) one day.

Overall from someone who hadnt ever driven an EV is massively positive.

Other interesting point is what she said she wanted - a high driving position - was actually a need for good vision.

Cars have reduced vision in a number of ways (raised hoods, thicker pillars, higher waistlines), Evs allow you to knock back on that some.

timbosan

2159 posts

Uber Geek

#2748170 22-Jul-2021 14:09

SaltyNZ:

It's nearly twice the price of the MG for comparable range, and you could spend $300 to have an electrician install a caravan plug outlet that will nearly fully recharge the battery from 0 overnight anyway. My opinion on this one remains that this is a 'screw you I don't wanna build an EV' car.

On this - if you have a 'caravan' plug installed, that's 16amps, right? Then do you need a special cable for to connect to the car? Or an adapter to convert it to a type 2 plug?

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2748173 22-Jul-2021 14:13

Theres an EVSE that sits in between the plug and the cars type 2 port.

These are not chargers but are mostly safety related electronics. and usually come with the EV (at least 8amp versions)

You could get a wall box that includes all that but they are more expensive to fit.

timbosan

2159 posts

Uber Geek

#2748175 22-Jul-2021 14:14

timbosan:

SaltyNZ:

It's nearly twice the price of the MG for comparable range, and you could spend $300 to have an electrician install a caravan plug outlet that will nearly fully recharge the battery from 0 overnight anyway. My opinion on this one remains that this is a 'screw you I don't wanna build an EV' car.

On this - if you have a 'caravan' plug installed, that's 16amps, right? Then do you need a special cable for to connect to the car? Or an adapter to convert it to a type 2 plug?

And to answer my own question, of course you still need something to manage the charging and comms with the car (duh me!). Like this https://oemaudio.co.nz/electric-vehicle-charging-products/ev-power-type-1-classic-plus-charger-cable-16-amp

So its more than just $300 for a caravan plug, the above is $500. What's the advantage of that over something like this https://oemaudio.co.nz/electric-vehicle-charging-products/eo-ev-mini-charger-32-amp-black (which is slightly more expensive at $1000+$200 for a cable), but gives a dedicated charger that just need a cable, and its 32amp vs. 16amp. Is it just down to cost or is there more than that?

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2748177 22-Jul-2021 14:16

it depends, the tesla mobile charger comes with 8 and 15 amp connections and you can add a caravan adapter for $80

https://shop.tesla.com/en_nz/product/blue-adapter---16a

Also with most wall boxes you'll need a type B RCD fitted also, which is $500 on its own

timbosan

2159 posts

Uber Geek

#2748182 22-Jul-2021 14:24

RobDickinson:

it depends, the tesla mobile charger comes with 8 and 15 amp connections and you can add a caravan adapter for $80

https://shop.tesla.com/en_nz/product/blue-adapter---16a

Also with most wall boxes you'll need a type B RCD fitted also, which is $500 on its own

Thanks - I saw these on OEM Audio. I assume you don't need these for a caravan socket? Which is just a dedicated 16amp run from the main board?

(Background - I have a Leaf and use just the 8amp charger supplied and looking at options for something external, from just an outdoor power point to 'caravan' socket to full on dedicated charger).

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2748183 22-Jul-2021 14:27

Yah no need for a normal caravan / 16 amp socket whilst using an evse.

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