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  #2761552 17-Aug-2021 15:51
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kingdragonfly:
davidcole:

 

How likely, far aware is vehicle to grid.....or more specifically vehicle to house, ie the ability to use the car battery for emergency (primarily) electricity for a household

 



One of the expenses is you need "anti-islanding" certification. It prevents the line workers from being killed, when they are working on a line that suppose to have no power.

There's also a secondary optional expense where some will want a second electrical service panel box. This is so important things like refrigerators and heating get emergency power, while less important circuits, like hot water, do not.
The 'anti-islanding' term seems counterintuitive as you would be attempting to 'island' your home's power network from the grid, but in any case this would be no different than the installation of a 'transfer switch' when using a back-up generator.

 

In regard to prioritising what appliances to feed by way of a separate distribution board another option is to apportion feeds between phases if you're on a three phase supply. We do this for what our PV supply feeds to categorise daytime/nighttime requiring supply (as our PV feeds only one phase for our own particular reasons).





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  #2761598 17-Aug-2021 16:12
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So the new Zoe.

$63,990 for the 68kw motor version
$65,990 for the 100kw motor

both have 51kwh battery and 395km WLTP.


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  #2761708 17-Aug-2021 17:49
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HarmLessSolutions: The 'anti-islanding' term seems counterintuitive as you would be attempting to 'island' your home's power network from the grid, but in any case this would be no different than the installation of a 'transfer switch' when using a back-up generator.


The danger with v2g (vehicle to grid) is it will likely be tied to the grid (just like more expensive solar solutions). So you'd expect it's default behavior is (somewhat counter-intuitively) cut the power to the house when the grid goes down.

Again this comes down to not killing electric linesmen (lines people?) if the car kept your lines alive.

While a generator could be automatic, it's unlikely. More likely you'd disconnect the house with a switch, then crank up the generator. In reverse, when your absolutely positive power has been restored to everyone nearby, you'd shut down the generator, and throw the isolation switch again.



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  #2761718 17-Aug-2021 18:07
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kingdragonfly:
HarmLessSolutions: The 'anti-islanding' term seems counterintuitive as you would be attempting to 'island' your home's power network from the grid, but in any case this would be no different than the installation of a 'transfer switch' when using a back-up generator.


The danger with v2g (vehicle to grid) is it will likely be tied to the grid (just like more expensive solar solutions). So you'd expect it's default behavior is (somewhat counter-intuitively) cut the power to the house when the grid goes down.

Again this comes down to not killing electric linesmen (lines people?) if the car kept your lines alive.

While a generator could be automatic, it's unlikely. More likely you'd disconnect the house with a switch, then crank up the generator. In reverse, when your absolutely positive power has been restored to everyone nearby, you'd shut down the generator, and throw the isolation switch again.
From what I understand any back-up generator set-up must automatically disconnect the consumer set-up (house, etc.) when in operation. PV inverters must by law shut down if the grid fails, for the same safety reasons.

 

The situation with V2G also pretty much parallels battery storage systems such as the Tesla Powerwall in that both can either consume from or supply to the grid. This video presentation outlines the functionality and possibilities of such systems.





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  #2761725 17-Aug-2021 18:20
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But if you wanted vehicle to house (could care less at this stage of giving back to the grid). Then it’d assume you want and would put in isolation.




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  #2761815 17-Aug-2021 20:37
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davidcole: But if you wanted vehicle to house (could care less at this stage of giving back to the grid). Then it’d assume you want and would put in isolation.
Unless you're in an off-grid situation (which would be very difficult if you have an EV) your house is grid connected and therefore if you feed your EV's battery into your house supply you need to then isolate the house connection from the grid.





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  #2761839 17-Aug-2021 21:39
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Here's a video called "Why Grid Tied Solar SUCKS For Emergencies"

Whenever you hear "solar system" just imagine it's a v2g system instead. In other words, instead of the sun as your power source, it's your electric car.

While this video is short, it does cover the two ways to use a grid-tied system in an outage

Most people will be grid-tied, using a utility company for power, even if it's just a little.

If you're a survivalist living in a post-apocalyptical-proof cabin, off-grid, getting no power from the utility company, you're already set.

Yes grid-tied systems are highly regulated (whish means expensive). If you want your system to also work that work in an outage, you're going to need more equipment (again more money), but it can be done legally.

And to answer the inevitable question, yes there are two flavors of the Tesla Wall (and similar). The more expensive one will work when there's an outage.and includes the "Backup Gateway" I believe this is the default pairing you get in New Zealand; They don't ask you "do you wnat the Backup Gateway". Most people just expect the Tesla PowerWall to work in outages, and get upset if it doesn't. Just know it's not required (See page 5, "without backup").


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  #2761846 17-Aug-2021 21:56
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So, my wife's short experience with a Nissan Leaf is likely to be ending before much longer according to her!

 

 

 

She has decided that, since she is not prepared to spend $60k+ to find something with a more useful range, a hybrid is a better solution for her and I think she is going to trade the Leaf against a new Honda Jazz hybrid.






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  #2761925 18-Aug-2021 08:13
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Geektastic:

 

So, my wife's short experience with a Nissan Leaf is likely to be ending before much longer according to her!

 

 

 

She has decided that, since she is not prepared to spend $60k+ to find something with a more useful range, a hybrid is a better solution for her and I think she is going to trade the Leaf against a new Honda Jazz hybrid.

 

 

 

 

Whilst a used Leaf was the right decision for us at the time, I would no longer suggest anyone buys one now, not with the rebate and the wider choice - growing monthly - of much better cars that will last much longer. I need to eke ours out for at least another 6 months. I'm not sorry I bought it, but I certainly won't be replacing it with another Leaf.





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  #2761978 18-Aug-2021 08:19
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We'll have BYD cars next year at under $30k (inc rebate) and 400km wltp


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  #2762171 18-Aug-2021 10:11
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First a weird older story that went under the radar.

CNN: One of Autopilot's features was active in fatal Tesla crash

Tesla said one of Autopilot's features was active during the April 17 crash that killed two men in Spring, Texas.

Police said no one was in the driver's seat at the time of the crash.

...Tesla's vice president of vehicle engineering, said ... Tesla's adaptive cruise control was engaged and accelerated to 30 mph before the car crashed...

Tesla's revelation may be at odds with the initial description of the crash from its CEO Elon Musk, who said two days after the crash that "data logs recovered so far show Autopilot was not enabled."

CNN: Tesla is under investigation because its cars keep hitting emergency vehicles

US Federal safety regulators are investigating at least 11 accidents involving Tesla cars using Autopilot or other self-driving features that crashed into emergency vehicles when coming upon the scene of an earlier crash.

The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration said seven of these accidents resulted 17 injuries and one death.

All of the Teslas in question had the self-driving Autopilot feature or the traffic-aware cruise control engaged as they approached the crashes, the NHTSA said.

...They took place mostly at night, and the post-accident scenes all included control measures like first responder vehicle lights, flares, an illuminated arrow board and road cones.
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  #2762180 18-Aug-2021 10:16
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RobDickinson:

We'll have BYD cars next year at under $30k (inc rebate) and 400km wltp



Do you have a source on the price and availability in NZ?

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  #2762182 18-Aug-2021 10:17
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Wasn't that the one with the guy who had already been arrested earlier that day for sitting in the back seat while his Tesla was on autopilot?





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  #2762185 18-Aug-2021 10:22
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Out of those 11 NHTSA crashes most of them involve drunk, disqualified, or inattentive drivers already charged etc, the other few we dont have information on, autopilot is a L2 driver assist and anyone using it is totally aware of this. The car makes it clear. 

This is just bad driving.

 

 

 

 

 

kingdragonfly:
RobDickinson:

 

We'll have BYD cars next year at under $30k (inc rebate) and 400km wltp

 



Do you have a source on the price and availability in NZ?


No, its under $35k AUD for Australia the importer is only importing a few this year and ramping up next year and also including NZ. There are stories about NZ but none of them have any more detail than that


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  #2762189 18-Aug-2021 10:26
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SaltyNZ:

 

Wasn't that the one with the guy who had already been arrested earlier that day for sitting in the back seat while his Tesla was on autopilot?

 

 

This is the one where a Model S slammed into a tree and caught fire. I don't think we yet know whether the people got into the back seat or if they were flung into the back seat because they didn't have their seat belts on. Either way, poor choices by the occupants.





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