Guy buys hydrogen car but can't buy hydrogen

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#2831479 13-Dec-2021 14:00

Scott3:Or use the car to lobby for somebody else to build a station, but I doubt many people will be willing to get into that for just a single car, when it seems clear that battery electric cars are a better light vehicle solution for New Zealand.

Perhaps there's Hydrogen in the future of his contracting firm? He hasn't come out of nowhere, and neither has his $150k.

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#2831481 13-Dec-2021 14:04

The main problem with hydrogen in South Korea and Norway (and I assume Cali too) is that hydrogen is both expensive to make and buy but lacks anywhere near the kinds of profit you need to make a filling station a valid economic proposition, even if fully utilised.

And there is little scope to fix that because of the energy needed to make it, and the economics of selling it.

If we had reasonable carbon costs for fossil fuels and you hade efficient h2 generation from renewable it still would not be close to competing with straight battery cars.

Yes sure they have bigger batteries but our most popular EV doesnt use cobalt, just uses iron, phosphate and lithium, all are plentiful elements. Unlike a fuel cell.

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#2831483 13-Dec-2021 14:07

NzBeagle:

Scott3:Or use the car to lobby for somebody else to build a station, but I doubt many people will be willing to get into that for just a single car, when it seems clear that battery electric cars are a better light vehicle solution for New Zealand.

Perhaps there's Hydrogen in the future of his contracting firm? He hasn't come out of nowhere, and neither has his $150k.

His council Bio claims.... the following...... His car purchasing experience might indicate otherwise...

But as others have said, he is a well established business owner.. dropping 150K on a H2 Car is not going to bust his bank, and may indicate where his business is heading.....

"He has a wealth of experience and the knowledge to be able to make precise decisions whilst adhering to time and financial restraints to get the best outcome.
https://ccc.govt.nz/the-council/how-the-council-works/elected-members/deputy-mayor-and-councillors/phil-mauger

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#2831485 13-Dec-2021 14:12

RobDickinson:

The main problem with hydrogen in South Korea and Norway (and I assume Cali too) is that hydrogen is both expensive to make and buy but lacks anywhere near the kinds of profit you need to make a filling station a valid economic proposition, even if fully utilised.

And there is little scope to fix that because of the energy needed to make it, and the economics of selling it.

If we had reasonable carbon costs for fossil fuels and you hade efficient h2 generation from renewable it still would not be close to competing with straight battery cars.

Yes sure they have bigger batteries but our most popular EV doesnt use cobalt, just uses iron, phosphate and lithium, all are plentiful elements. Unlike a fuel cell.

I thought only the base Model 3 was LFP (and even that change is very recent), the others are still ACN. Pretty sure our neighbours have one of each.

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#2831486 13-Dec-2021 14:14

Yep only the base model, which is like 80% of the sales of model 3 or something. Even the others use very limited amounts of cobalt.

We should start to see other LFP pack cars here soon

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#2831489 13-Dec-2021 14:25

Waitomo have a few hydrogen refuelling stations around the North island.
I'm sure if he speaks nicely to them, they will fast track a Christchurch installation.

And if he has that much excess cash, maybe he should buy one of these Xcient Fuel Cell Hydrogen Truck | Hyundai New Zealand

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#2831492 13-Dec-2021 14:43

djtOtago:

Waitomo have a few hydrogen refuelling stations around the North island.

They do? Which locations are open now?

This seems to suggest they are not open yet

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nz-gets-its-first-hydrogen-truck

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#2831493 13-Dec-2021 14:50

From the very article linked to in the original post:

King Country-based Waitomo Group, New Zealand's fastest-growing independent fuel retailer, has lodged resource consent applications to build a hydrogen fuelling station in Hamilton and another in Palmerston North but it is yet to apply for any in the South Island.

Waitomo managing director Jimmy Ormsby said the company would be expanding its hydrogen fuelling stations down to the South Island but certainly not within the next 12 months.

He expected the North Island stations to be commissioned sometime in the third quarter of 2022.

Waitomo has three petrol stations in Christchurch and Ormsby said the Ferry Rd site was probably the only one with enough room for a hydrogen station.

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#2831495 13-Dec-2021 14:52

So thats best part of a year until one is open...

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#2831499 13-Dec-2021 15:00

and he wants to be the next mayor 🤣

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#2831501 13-Dec-2021 15:02

Useless spending on white elephants is an actual requirement.

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#2831502 13-Dec-2021 15:06

Theses are available in NZ , one is featured fuelling an AT bus,

https://www.h2henergy.com.au/hydrogen-refuelling-solutions/

From watching the Video they connect to a bank of commercial H2 Cylinders (widely available in NZ) and compress and deliver the H2 at either 350 or 700 bar vie the required outlet.

I suspect Hyundai have at least one (they have been touring the country with their NEXOs)

-So the article is more a spruiking piece to raise the profile of H2 and lack of H2 infra ( particularly in the SI)

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#2831504 13-Dec-2021 15:09

Ok interesting.

No Nexo imported since September 2019 (just the 2 then), this one was registered 15th November, so is this one of the 2019 cars only now registered for road use?

https://www.carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=NWH523

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#2832234 14-Dec-2021 15:30

I'm going to guess that you do *not* want to pay what BOC will charge per kilo of hydrogen, plus the rental costs of the tanks, plus ownership/rental/servicing and energy for the compressor.

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#2832240 14-Dec-2021 15:36

I'd love a transcript of that call..

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