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#2839910 29-Dec-2021 11:42

Batman: The mind boggles how German marquees design from the ground up BEVs that look exactly like ICEs with a massive front nose that has seemingly wasted space under the bonnet.

Because a lot of people want their car to just look like a normal car, not a spaceship, even if it is electric?

That said, there shouldn't be much reason they can't design it that way (ie to look like an ICE) but use that space as a frunk rather than wasting it. I believe VW sticks a bunch of electrical stuff and things like fuses and filters and washer inlets in there which sort of makes sense but I suspect I'd rather a frunk.

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#2839912 29-Dec-2021 11:44

I think most companies are still a way behind tesla on packaging and multi use of components.

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#2839932 29-Dec-2021 12:20

antonknee:
That said, there shouldn't be much reason they can't design it that way (ie to look like an ICE) but use that space as a frunk rather than wasting it. I believe VW sticks a bunch of electrical stuff and things like fuses and filters and washer inlets in there which sort of makes sense but I suspect I'd rather a frunk.

I've wondered about this.

Many of those components need to be dry. It's possible that mounting them higher will keep them more dry than us they were mounted lower with a frunk on top. Though my Tesla had all that stuff between the frunk and the dash. Up high.

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#2839937 29-Dec-2021 12:25

Linuxluver:
antonknee:

That said, there shouldn't be much reason they can't design it that way (ie to look like an ICE) but use that space as a frunk rather than wasting it. I believe VW sticks a bunch of electrical stuff and things like fuses and filters and washer inlets in there which sort of makes sense but I suspect I'd rather a frunk.

I've wondered about this.

Many of those components need to be dry. It's possible that mounting them higher will keep them more dry than us they were mounted lower with a frunk on top. Though my Tesla had all that stuff between the frunk and the dash. Up high.

Tesla has the charger and dc/dc, controller and fuses etc in the battery housing, and the inverters in the motor housings, the only things in the frunk are the 12v battery, brake/AC stuff etc its a much more compact system than the MEB platform etc

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#2839938 29-Dec-2021 12:30

RobDickinson:
Tesla has the charger and dc/dc, controller and fuses etc in the battery housing, and the inverters in the motor housings, the only things in the frunk are the 12v battery, brake/AC stuff etc its a much more compact system than the MEB platform etc

That's pretty much what I had in mind: 12v battery, AC, etc. Yep.

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#2839949 29-Dec-2021 13:00

RobDickinson:
Yeah you understand it with say the iX3, massive bonnet mostly empty, no frunk

But the iX? The EQS?

The electronic gubbins shouldnt be that chunky.

Eqc eqb too

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#2839950 29-Dec-2021 13:02

EQC is an old adapted platform not sure on eqb

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#2839958 29-Dec-2021 13:28

Or they could go full VW Beetle and put a spare tire (which very few have) in the front. I was watching a video on the installation of an automatic frunk opener on a Model 3. Once the guy had taken the frunk liner out there was a huge empty space under and behind it where the second motor goes in the higher models. It looked like there would be room for at least a space saver tire in a reconfigured frunk compartment.

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#2839982 29-Dec-2021 15:45

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#2840318 30-Dec-2021 09:39

I'm of two minds on the following.

I don't like it when manufacturers intentionally make it impossible to repair something.

On the other hand, a car in 2021 is not the same as a car from 1961's. Example Cadillac DTS / Buick Lucerne alternator

Also "partial repair" agreement is only valid if you ignore labor costs, and ignores you need specialty equipment and extensive training to even attempt it.

I don't agree on is his implication that this is unique to EV's.

I had a friend who had a pretty new Mercedes class "A" car. It's transmission had a small microchip that went bad.

Mercedes wanted him to replace the entire transmission for $7,900. Granted about half the cost was labor.

So while the chip may have cost $5, the labor would have still be around $3,750.

Both Tesla and Mercedes are luxury items, even if it's 10 years old. Traditionally buying a cheap old luxury item means you risk a whopping big repair bill, that's more than the car's worth.

Just ask any owner of a Ferrari over 10 years old.

Man blows up Tesla because of battery repair bill.

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#2840323 30-Dec-2021 09:55

You realise we've already talked about that? The man imported a 60kwh model S, had a 3rd party upgrade the battery to 90kwh.

They screwed it up and broke stuff.

He then took it to Tesla ( effectively main dealer service centre etc) and they quoted $22k to replace the battery pack with a new one.

I dont think thats unfair, and they are not (obviously....) preventing you from repairing or replacing your own battery pack.

They also offer online training and access to the very same diagnostic software tesla themselves use.

I've no idea what tesla has done wrong here, you screw up your BMW M5 engine replacement and take it to a main dealer for a new off the shelf v10 to be fitted you will have a large bill.

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#2840325 30-Dec-2021 10:00

@kngdragonfly
It is inability or excessive costs of minor repairs caused usually by lover quality of manufacture of so called "luxury" vehicles what makes frugal millionaires to avoid such purchases in the first hand. :)

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#2840692 31-Dec-2021 08:21

kingdragonfly: Normally I'd say he could have given the battery pack a second life as a Powerwall.

However in Finland solar panels are not really practical, and it's electricity prices are the lowest in the EU, 61% cheaper than Germany.

Still a red-neck move

From Gizmodo

"Katainen is a 2013 Tesla Model S owner who was told he would have to pay more than $22,600 to replace the battery on his car. For him, it apparently wasn’t worth it, so he decided to team up with a YouTuber to blow up his Model S with 66 pounds (30 kilograms) of dynamite instead.

It's a pity he doesn't live in the US or have similar repair shops available. This third party repair shop was able to fix a Tesla battery for 75% less

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Q0nNkQTCo&t=874s

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#2840694 31-Dec-2021 08:24

oh ffs rich rebuild....

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#2840703 31-Dec-2021 08:39

RUKI: @kngdragonfly
It is inability or excessive costs of minor repairs caused usually by lover quality of manufacture of so called "luxury" vehicles what makes frugal millionaires to avoid such purchases in the first hand. :)

Frugal millionaires are miserly people who don't buy anything unless they absolutely have to. :-)

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