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#2933243 22-Jun-2022 16:59

RobDickinson:

USA is hardly isolated gas prices are a huge point right now there

From a consumer POV yes, but from an economy POV its essentially its internal transfer from Consumer to Business,

as opposed to a huge Foreign exchange outflow like it used to be...

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#2933255 22-Jun-2022 17:38

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Crazy what exploiting your customers at $3+ a litre will do..

EY report release date was 23 May. Does not give an "as at" (or if it does, I missed it) but is presumably based on survey data from a month or so before then?

Related EY reports are (include?):

https://www.ey.com/en_us/news/2022/05/tipping-point-reached-as-more-than-half-of-global-car-buyers-see-electric-vehicle-for-the-first-time

https://www.ey.com/en_gl/automotive-transportation/mobility-consumer-index-wave-3

https://www.ey.com/en_us/news/2022/06/ey-mobility-consumer-index-reveals-us-lags-behind-global-counterparts-in-electric-vehicle-adoption

The latter two contain additional interesting data.

eg. from the second link

NZ stands out as one of the few places where preference for plugin hybrids increased significantly and in parallel with pure EV (vs down in most countries)
Japan stands out as still having little interest in pure EVs (4% in 2021 > 5% in 2022). Main interest being in non-plugin hybrids (29% in 2021 to 38% this year). May explain the attitudes (or influence) of Japanese car makers.
Very different from South Korea

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#2933281 22-Jun-2022 20:33

HarmLessSolutions:

RobDickinson:

USA is hardly isolated gas (petrol) prices are a huge point right now there

Aussie is the one with real gas supply issues as they are too busy exporting it as LNG and forgot to hold back enough for domestic supply in the Eastern states.

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The team discuss both gas & petrol, that oil demand will continue to increase for the next decade & what it will take for an orderly transition from ICE to EV.

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#2933435 23-Jun-2022 10:35

New Zealand pricing for the all-electric ATTO 3 SUV starts at $52,990 for the standard range and tops out at $57,990 for the extended range, plus on road costs

https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/byd-atto-3-pricing-confirmed-to-start-at-52990/

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#2933440 23-Jun-2022 10:43

RobDickinson:

New Zealand pricing for the all-electric ATTO 3 SUV starts at $52,990 for the standard range and tops out at $57,990 for the extended range, plus on road costs

Interesting. Another affordable (by EV standards) option.

I wonder how far the Atto 4 (Seal) will be behind it? Because that looks like a winner.

The interiors are a bit ‘different’, but then so are Teslas I guess.

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#2933495 23-Jun-2022 12:53

Dingbatt:

RobDickinson:

New Zealand pricing for the all-electric ATTO 3 SUV starts at $52,990 for the standard range and tops out at $57,990 for the extended range, plus on road costs

Interesting. Another affordable (by EV standards) option.

I wonder how far the Atto 4 (Seal) will be behind it? Because that looks like a winner.

The interiors are a bit ‘different’, but then so are Teslas I guess.

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#2933519 23-Jun-2022 13:33

RobDickinson:

New Zealand pricing for the all-electric ATTO 3 SUV starts at $52,990 for the standard range and tops out at $57,990 for the extended range, plus on road costs

https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/byd-atto-3-pricing-confirmed-to-start-at-52990/

that looks (could be wrong) like a compact SUV, is it much smaller than the model Y?

got 3 kids, the dog and luggage. lots of luggage ...

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#2933520 23-Jun-2022 13:34

Dont know, I am guessing it is mg zs / kona sized

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#2933527 23-Jun-2022 13:44

Batman:

that looks (could be wrong) like a compact SUV, is it much smaller than the model Y?

got 3 kids, the dog and luggage. lots of luggage ...

Atto:
Dimensions 4455 x 1875 x 1615 mm space:, 434 L / 1330 L
https://zecar.com/post/byd-atto-3-price-and-specs-detailed-for-australia

Model Y:
(4,750 mm)* (1,920 mm) *(1,623 mm) space: 854 L/ 1,869 litres

So compared to the Y the Atto is a foot shorter and its boot space is 1/2 the size ( seats up )

So as others have said, its in the small SUV class

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#2933529 23-Jun-2022 13:46

Batman:

RobDickinson:

New Zealand pricing for the all-electric ATTO 3 SUV starts at $52,990 for the standard range and tops out at $57,990 for the extended range, plus on road costs

https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/byd-atto-3-pricing-confirmed-to-start-at-52990/

that looks (could be wrong) like a compact SUV, is it much smaller than the model Y?

got 3 kids, the dog and luggage. lots of luggage ...

ATTO 3 vs MG ZS. Unfortunately does not discuss size, leg room etc

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/byd-atto-3-vs-mg-zs-ev-affordable-chinese-evs-compared-on-the-numbers-86514

Verdict

The BYD Atto 3 is potentially cheaper, packs more standard features, is more powerful, and offers a long driving range for its top variant at a very reasonable price.

Then again, MG has an established track record in Australia already. It can be experienced and purchased through a traditional dealer channel, the current ZS has proved popular and this new one is also capable of charging faster than its rival.

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#2933585 23-Jun-2022 16:45

BYD in NZ will be sold through traditional dealer channels and demo stock hopefully in July. Someone has posted RRPs above. Dealers are on the BYD site, has main centres covered but just 1 south island dealer for now.

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#2933655 23-Jun-2022 18:31

sen8or:

BYD in NZ will be sold through traditional dealer channels and demo stock hopefully in July. Someone has posted RRPs above. Dealers are on the BYD site, has main centres covered but just 1 south island dealer for now.

Well I've registered for a test drive because the size of the car seems about right for what I want. The main question would be is the driving position high enough.

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#2933811 24-Jun-2022 10:50

I keep hearing we need to wait until the established makers like Toyota that know what they're doing when it comes to cars start making EVs...only to hear that Toyota has had to recall their first EV due to the potential for the wheels to fall off 😬

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#2933828 24-Jun-2022 11:10

yes we we hoping for better but instead of making things better they either copy Tesla or make things worse

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#2933839 24-Jun-2022 11:51

Obraik:

I keep hearing we need to wait until the established makers like Toyota that know what they're doing when it comes to cars start making EVs...only to hear that Toyota has had to recall their first EV due to the potential for the wheels to fall off 😬

I assume the “hub bolt” that has caused the recall is not solely something an EV has. Just an automotive part that has been incorrectly engineered in this case.

What I found more interesting in the article is that the majority of the vehicles were going to European markets. It smacks of a compliance vehicle more than a serious attempt to evolve its fleet.

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