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#2939337 7-Jul-2022 18:24

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wait - there is a giant van looking thing that has over 70kWh that sells in AU for 40k AUD

https://myelectriccar.com.au/byd-e6/

This is a second generation version of the e6, which seems to be based on a different platform than the first generation model. The first generation model (dating from 2009) was rated very lowly by Autocar (2013 review).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_e6

Seems to be very little about the second generation model at this stage- only launched in Oct(?) 2021. Seem to be quite positive reviews in 'CarDekho', though I know nothing about that site.

Reportedly covered 1,000km on a single charge in a test in India.

https://www.financialexpress.com/auto/car-news/byd-e6-runs-over-1000km-on-single-charge-enters-india-book-of-records/2567124/

Also

https://thedriven.io/2021/08/03/byd-e6-is-now-australias-cheapest-passenger-electric-vehicle/

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/2022-byd-e6-price-and-features-new-chinese-brand-launches-second-electric-car-in-australia

https://evcentral.com.au/40k-byd-e6-ev-coming-soon-but-theres-a-catch/

Note the WLTP rating of 522 km seems to be in question

Also note, is only a 5-seater and seems to be VW Golf and Peugeot 308 size.

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#2939398 7-Jul-2022 21:10

I assume the following is the same across the world: in garbage trucks and mail delivery vehicle the seat's in the middle of the cab, or on the "wrong" side.

It's one of the reason "right-hand drive" Jeep's are sold in good number in the USA:=. They are for rural mail delivery.

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#2939482 8-Jul-2022 01:14

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New new Toyota EV , BZ4x , based on the UK price released, it looks like it will be over the 80k rebate in NZ. I see the Subaru Version is also coming, but no mention on price. People who want the reliability of a Jap brand like Toyota will be holding out for some Japanese EVs. With NZs high inflation, I think they may need to raise the limit. The problem when governments set these figures, but don't tie them to inflation, so they become less and less relevant. With house prices dropping and a likely recession, I can't see as many people buying EVs, and paying over 80k for a car. Maybe there will be more lease deals, and more people will lease instead of buy. Although I see one bank is offering a special loan to add onto the house house, which allows for purchasing an EV...

Yes, I think the only one buying the BZ4x are going to be Toyota loyalists. Overall, it's terrible value when compared to the many other similar EVs available. It's a 2015/2016 EV trying to be modern in 2023.

Keep in mind that Toyota has already put a recall on it due to a risk of the wheels falling off.

I think it is still better value than Mazdas MX 30. But the fact is there are now so many exciting EVs coming out around the world, that we are hopefully going to have some excellent choices in the next few years and hopefully costs drop. The batteries seem to be the main factor in terms of cost etc at tge moment. It reminds me of LCD TVs and monitors in the early 2000's where the technology initially was really expensive but the costs kept dropping.

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#2939485 8-Jul-2022 02:01

SaltyNZ: You can hardly expect a Ranger driver to want a ute that is efficient. That's like, the opposite of the point of having a ute.

On the other hand I know tradies spending eyewatering money on diesel. With the opportunity to binge some free power at a worksite these are starting to look good. A light van form factor with this kind of range minimum would be next ideal for those with lockup and access requirements.

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#2939544 8-Jul-2022 08:29

mattwnz:

I think it is still better value than Mazdas MX 30. But the fact is there are now so many exciting EVs coming out around the world, that we are hopefully going to have some excellent choices in the next few years and hopefully costs drop. The batteries seem to be the main factor in terms of cost etc at tge moment. It reminds me of LCD TVs and monitors in the early 2000's where the technology initially was really expensive but the costs kept dropping.

If you're setting the MX-30 as your datum point for BEV value for money, you're going to be spoilt for choice when it's time to buy a car.

You're right that it is a fast-changing picture; a shame that some prices such as the EV6 have gone up recently and the government's subsidy cap is not linked to inflation.

We've just pre-ordered a BYD Atto 3 with a refundable deposit, looking forward to test-driving that.

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#2939546 8-Jul-2022 09:02

Electric vehicle charging stations planned for more South Island towns - but not till next year

Energy and Resources Minister Dr. Megan Woods said 10 new DC fast charging stations will be installed at Kohatu, St Arnaud, Springs Junction, Hari Hari and Haast in a partnership between the Government's Low Emissions Transport Fund and Meridian Energy.

The new stations are due to be available from next May and will benefit motorists travelling between Nelson and Christchurch on the inland route and along State Highway 6 on the West Coast.

Woods said they would fill key gaps in the South Island's public EV charging network.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/470518/electric-vehicle-charging-stations-planned-for-more-south-island-towns?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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#2939563 8-Jul-2022 09:45

mattwnz:

I think it is still better value than Mazdas MX 30. But the fact is there are now so many exciting EVs coming out around the world, that we are hopefully going to have some excellent choices in the next few years and hopefully costs drop. The batteries seem to be the main factor in terms of cost etc at tge moment. It reminds me of LCD TVs and monitors in the early 2000's where the technology initially was really expensive but the costs kept dropping.

That's the problem for Toyota, there already are a lot of excellent choices at the price point of their "new" EV, and there will likely be more when it finally launches in 2023 - at that point the VW ID4 will also be here.

Batteries are the real cost and that's why it's crazy that Toyota has a 77kWh pack that gets the range of a modern EV with a 50kWh pack, with worse charging speeds. It's actually impressive how behind this vehicle is.

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#2939571 8-Jul-2022 10:10

jonathan18:
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How does the Atto 3 compare with the Model Y?

I see one is bigger and faster but 20k dearer?

I think your first adjective is enough reason - the Y is substantially larger than the Atto 3, especially in terms of boot space. The Atto would better be compared with smaller cars like the MG (at the cheap end) or the Leaf.

The significant number of orders for the Y on the very first day shows a real pent up demand for a spacious vehicle, in particular one suitable as a family tourer. There's nothing else under the rebate cap that can provide this, hence me putting my order in on day one!

As for speed - I saw they claim the long range Atto makes it to 100 in 7.3 seconds. If that's actually correct it's close enough to the RWD MY, which claims 6.9. (Many reviews and comments report that our (edit, as in the one available in NZ) entry level Y is way slower off the mark then the 3, even if showing good acceleration above 50. I live in hope this will change with a later software update, as surely one can elect to gain economy through careful driving, as opposed to deliberately restricting acceleration?).

The choice for me was not MY versus Atto 3 but Atto 3 versus Kia Kiro EV since they appear to be the similarly sized. I don't need the size of a MY and anyway since it would be my wife's car, she's not concerned about 0-100 times either. And I care about dollars!

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#2939687 8-Jul-2022 11:02

lchiu7:

The choice for me was not MY versus Atto 3 but Atto 3 versus Kia Kiro EV since they appear to be the similarly sized. I don't need the size of a MY and anyway since it would be my wife's car, she's not concerned about 0-100 times either. And I care about dollars!

Totally - if storage space isn't an issue then the range of EVs available to a current buyer is fairly decent, even at the 'affordable' end of the market; going by current options, I can see we'll have far more options to choose from when it comes time to replace my wife's current Leaf than we have had when trying to replace my station wagon with something as capacious.

While I've not seen it in the flesh, I'm not sure if I could buy the BYD based solely on its interior design, even if it does end up being a better car/better value than the MG (I'm not sure of which the scales tip on this one). Superficial, for sure, but looks are important to me - I'd prefer the 'stark' minimalism of the Tesla aesthetic any day, or even the conventional design of the MG (which, if we were changing at this point, would be my pick to replace the Leaf), but I get others like it/don't think it's important. (What is important is that it's available, and at a decent price; these are exactly the kinds of models we need to boost EV take-up.)

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#2940064 9-Jul-2022 14:16

This is by means a political statement but I was talking to a friend about the BYD Atto 3 and he said it would never be sold in the US because of these perceived China practices https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-11/china-calls-charges-carmakers-have-ties-to-forced-labor-smears and why is Ardern okay with this?

He lives in the US and is driving a Chevy Bolt.

I didn't really have an answer.

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#2940066 9-Jul-2022 14:46

lchiu7:

This is by means a political statement but I was talking to a friend about the BYD Atto 3 and he said it would never be sold in the US because of these perceived China practices https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-11/china-calls-charges-carmakers-have-ties-to-forced-labor-smears and why is Ardern okay with this?

He lives in the US and is driving a Chevy Bolt.

I didn't really have an answer.

If you go far enough up any manufacturing and supply chain you will end up with links to China. If we were to boycott all goods which can be linked to China most developed nations would rapidly cease functioning.

I note that the Polestar forum is full of US owners so obviously the powers that be don't extend the anti-China narrative as far as that suggested for BYD products.

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#2940071 9-Jul-2022 14:59

lchiu7:

This is by means a political statement but I was talking to a friend about the BYD Atto 3 and he said it would never be sold in the US because of these perceived China practices https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-11/china-calls-charges-carmakers-have-ties-to-forced-labor-smears and why is Ardern okay with this?

He lives in the US and is driving a Chevy Bolt.

I didn't really have an answer.

While China does have some questionable ethics, let's not forget that the US has its own ethical issues too. The US is pretty happy to do some horrible things to migrants at its borders, has a history of rounding up migrants from a country it was then at war with, still has terrible racial discrimination and still sees it as appropriate to reduce the rights of 50% of its population.

We just don't talk about that because we consider them an ally.

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#2940135 9-Jul-2022 16:10

lchiu7: This is by means a political statement but I was talking to a friend about the BYD Atto 3 and he said it would ~~never be sold in the US~~ be rebranded in the USA as Opel McBush 3000

Fixed that for you.

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#2940138 9-Jul-2022 16:28

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#2940142 9-Jul-2022 16:42

Batman:

lchiu7:

This is by means a political statement but I was talking to a friend about the BYD Atto 3 and he said it would never be sold in the US because of these perceived China practices https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-11/china-calls-charges-carmakers-have-ties-to-forced-labor-smears and why is Ardern okay with this?

He lives in the US and is driving a Chevy Bolt.

I didn't really have an answer.

everything is made in China (Tesla, iPhone for example)

and US enslaves black people then and now

but don't argue with your friend, he's probably a Trump supporter and a waste of time trying to have discussions with these people

Far from it. He just lamented the fact that it's a good value EV and he is in the market for a second car and this car is not available. But the Bolt has dropped in price so he might look at that

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