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#3101297 8-Jul-2023 13:07

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freitasm:

@Fiordland:

What does this mean for the average kiwi?

Huge cost increases to the price of cars and power bills increasing by at least 5 times the current cost.

Do you have a source for this statement?

not sure about car prices but he's referring to UK power cost going up 5 times and people ditching their EVs and going back to ICE.

maybe he means EVs are a lot more expensive than ICEs

Thanks but your reply does not answer the question. Let's see what @Fiordland says.

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#3101298 8-Jul-2023 13:07

HarmLessSolutions:

……accepting the status quo is what got us to the point we're at now.

By this do you mean the highest standard of living, including increased life expectancy and the most productive period in human history?

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#3101301 8-Jul-2023 13:13

Batman:

not sure about car prices but he's referring to UK power cost going up 5 times and people ditching their EVs and going back to ICE.

maybe he means EVs are a lot more expensive than ICEs

Except both arguments don't bare scrutiny.

The UK's electricity supply landscape differs markedly from ours with 38% of it derived from natural gas. The response by so many NZers to power increases of anywhere that magnitude would see PV uptake go ballistic. We are after all a very ingenious nation.

The prices of EVs are dropping week by week due to manufacturing advances and market competition. As stated above we are already seeing parity with ICEVs in some car sizes and together with the massive difference in running and particularly energy (fuel) costs this will only further accelerate EV uptake in the medium term.

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#3101304 8-Jul-2023 13:19

I'm happy to see a bit of skepticism in this thread. I'm all for electrification, but I have serious doubts that the current generation of EVs are the answer we're looking for.

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#3101308 8-Jul-2023 13:31

amanzi: I'm happy to see a bit of skepticism in this thread. I'm all for electrification, but I have serious doubts that the current generation of EVs are the answer we're looking for.

And that's fine, but statements of fact need to be backed by references.

Otherwise it's just an opinion.

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#3101311 8-Jul-2023 13:53

amanzi: I'm happy to see a bit of skepticism in this thread. I'm all for electrification, but I have serious doubts that the current generation of EVs are the answer we're looking for.

Yep - I'm all for a bit of healthy scepticism in many, many areas. Especially when backed with [good] references (as freitasm says) even if it is ultimately wrong as it provides good learning opportunities. Some of the rubbish that's being spouted here reads as having political motivations rather than being anything to do with scepticism.

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#3101318 8-Jul-2023 14:29

Dingbatt:

HarmLessSolutions:

……accepting the status quo is what got us to the point we're at now.

By this do you mean the highest standard of living, including increased life expectancy and the most productive period in human history?

No. More this:

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#3101320 8-Jul-2023 14:42

I'm pretty sure if Tiwai point was shut down we'd suddenly have a massive surplus of hydro energy. That's capacity sorted for awhile. And it's already built! Not sure if it's connected to the rest of the grid, but hey, surely easier to do that than build another dam.

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#3101321 8-Jul-2023 14:51

HarmLessSolutions: No. More this:

I'm sure this is caused by deforestation. But I'm not a climate scientist. It just makes sense. Forests breathe carbon dioxide. Burning forests is a double punch and is doomed our planet.

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#3101322 8-Jul-2023 14:51

HarmLessSolutions:No. More this:

Or this?

https://www.history.com/news/heat-wave-1911-weather-insane

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#3101324 8-Jul-2023 14:58

Dingbatt:

HarmLessSolutions:No. More this:

Or this?

https://www.history.com/news/heat-wave-1911-weather-insane

Are we talking local spikes or global trends here?

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#3101325 8-Jul-2023 15:03

Is this still the EV news discussion thread ;)

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#3101326 8-Jul-2023 15:03

HarmLessSolutions:Are we talking local spikes or global trends here?

A moment in history, just as you did with your world map.

Still may as well keep the EV news thread off topic eh?

Edit: Sorry @paulchinnz , came to the same conclusion but you beat me to it…

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#3101409 8-Jul-2023 17:21

Azzura:

I appreciate your perspective on the challenges that New Zealand faces in adopting electric vehicles (EVs) and transitioning to renewable energy.

Its a very slow transition. EV demands will have an effect but its slow. I see no issue with developing extra green energy to match that new demand

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#3101412 8-Jul-2023 17:26

Fiordland:

As a poor country with a small population and terrible current account deficits we are in no position to spend several hundred billion on upgrading our energy infrastructure to attempt to shift our combustion energy consumption onto the mains grid?

EV's have terrible range and are hideously expensive in upfront cost, they're about to get RUC and seriously mean sky rocketing cost of electricity.

They're also bleeding edge right now, NZ cannot afford to lead, we are a zero manufacturer of this tech and need to slow right down on deficit spending beyond our means. We need to wait, do the cheap, EV's easy gains and once the tech matures and drops in price.

Once Toyota in 2028 launches superior battery range and others the price will then be the largest issue. To replace quality vehicles like Outbacks and Hiluxes with quality, trustworthy suppliers we are going to be in the 2030's.

Bankrupting the country to try to virtue signal to a world that doesn't care about NZ's economy is foolish.

Oh dear. EVs power usage wont bankrupt NZ. Finally there are a nice range of EV options.

several hundred billion on upgrading our energy infrastructure. No. No real need to explain why. EV usage is low but growing, it wont overtake energy usage in the next 18 months

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