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#2645286 1-Feb-2021 14:23

MikeB4:

The population of Aotearoa is subsidised in many areas already including you and me.

what’s an example in a different area?

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#2645290 1-Feb-2021 14:30

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We live in a society where we are taxed to help those less fortunate.. good. But no one "needs" and electric car.

As a society, we do. We need as much of our population reducing their emissions as much as possible. It will save future tax expenses.

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#2645293 1-Feb-2021 14:40

Obraik:

mdooher:

We live in a society where we are taxed to help those less fortunate.. good. But no one "needs" and electric car.

As a society, we do. We need as much of our population reducing their emissions as much as possible. It will save future tax expenses.

"as much as possible"... yep nothing will ever be enough will it?

But "you" still don't "need" an electric car do you? You could survive without a car couldn't you? but you "want" one, so great! but I shouldn't have to pay for it

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#2645295 1-Feb-2021 14:44

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#2645296 1-Feb-2021 14:44

Obraik:

As per usual, you're trying to start an argument by not reading properly and trying to over analyse a single word.

The topic of this thread is about the Clean Car Standard, AKA ICE Vehicles paying their way for the damage they cause to the environment and peoples health. If you read what I wrote, you'll see that what I said was that it is fair that EVs don't pay for RUC while ICE vehicles don't pay for that damage they're causing. When the Clean Car Standard is put into pace it is inevitable that EVs will lose their RUC exemption.

No, as usual you are trying to paint every rose pink when its not then push back on others that arent drinking the kool aid.

Clean Car Standard is not road maintenance. The purpose of the CCS is to tax non clean cars, satisfying your need to penalise them. Or, and as Mike suggested remove them not tax them. All cars need to pay RUC, all of the time. If we have a temporary free RUC thats fine if it incentivises, same as the feebate, both of which had short terms. But you just keep wanting to pick pick pick at ICE. You cannot get rid of ICE right now, we would all be walking into empty shops.

So, charge the CCS tax and ETS. Also charge the RUC, so its even, if that what satisfies you

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#2645298 1-Feb-2021 14:45

mdooher:

I am in the group of people that ends up with a net tax payment. I could do without subsidising even more people. If you want an electric car cool, go and get one. If you can't get one without a subsidy from me then you shouldn't have one.

We live in a society where we are taxed to help those less fortunate.. good. But no one "needs" and electric car.

You are still subsidised

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#2645300 1-Feb-2021 14:47

mdooher:

"as much as possible"... yep nothing will ever be enough will it?

But "you" still don't "need" an electric car do you? You could survive without a car couldn't you? but you "want" one, so great! but I shouldn't have to pay for it

You won't be paying for it, if you don't buy an ICE vehicle 😉

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#2645301 1-Feb-2021 14:49

MikeB4:

mdooher:

I am in the group of people that ends up with a net tax payment. I could do without subsidising even more people. If you want an electric car cool, go and get one. If you can't get one without a subsidy from me then you shouldn't have one.

We live in a society where we are taxed to help those less fortunate.. good. But no one "needs" and electric car.

You are still subsidised

No, I'm not, unless you mean subsidised by myself? I have paid more tax than I have consumed. perhaps if I live long enough that will change, but I can't see it

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#2645303 1-Feb-2021 14:51

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what’s an example in a different area?

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Do you mean prescriptions? Or operations?

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#2645304 1-Feb-2021 14:52

Obraik:

mdooher:

"as much as possible"... yep nothing will ever be enough will it?

But "you" still don't "need" an electric car do you? You could survive without a car couldn't you? but you "want" one, so great! but I shouldn't have to pay for it

You won't be paying for it, if you don't buy an ICE vehicle 😉

But I want to by a V12, I don't want my purchase to subsidise yours.

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#2645305 1-Feb-2021 14:54

mdooher:

But I want to by a V12, I don't want my purchase to subsidise yours.

If you wish to buy a comparatively lower performing vehicle while also creating excessive emissions that creates a tax burden, you should pay for that right.

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#2645306 1-Feb-2021 14:56

BlinkyBill:

Do you mean prescriptions? Or operations?

Those as well as GP visits etc

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#2645307 1-Feb-2021 14:57

mdooher:

No, I'm not, unless you mean subsidised by myself? I have paid more tax than I have consumed. perhaps if I live long enough that will change, but I can't see it

Nope, but I will leave it here I hate brick walls they hurt.

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#2645308 1-Feb-2021 15:00

Obraik:

mdooher:

But I want to by a V12, I don't want my purchase to subsidise yours.

If you wish to buy a comparatively lower performing vehicle while also creating excessive emissions that creates a tax burden, you should pay for that right.

You aren't getting it. I am happy to pay for my pollution, but not if the money just gets redirected into your pocket

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#2645310 1-Feb-2021 15:02

mdooher:

But I want to by a V12, I don't want my purchase to subsidise yours.

so what you are saying is you want to be selfish and not give a toss about those living now and those to come. Talk about the ultimate NIMBY attitude.

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