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#2654739 11-Feb-2021 16:12

Aisleen Kelly has insane swing movement, Id really like to see her bowl more yorkers with it, it moves VERY late and its a total through the gate ball.

Holly Huddelston is pretty good and one of the faster women (and she can hit 6s over the mens rope consistently), but prefer Kelly with her shape.

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#2654826 11-Feb-2021 19:06

Lazy batting performance from Auckland Hearts

They had it at 10rpo with only 2 down and 8 overs to go, but just never put the foot down and once it was too late they just capitulaed. Well that is a bit of revenge for the Blaze being beaten badly by Auckland last weeked.

Magic vs Blaze womans final.

both games now are at the Basin and like recent years both the Welli teams making the final.

Cant wait to watch the Mens game, Finn Allen and Devon Conway to blast hopefully another 230 score.

Finn Allen is in a completely different level to anybody else in NZ with the most runs and by far the most 6s. Id say George Worker, Conway and Will Young have also been very impressive. Really want to see Phillipe for Aussie and see if Finn Allen can match him, both young hot shots who have no fear and the fastest hands in the game.

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#2656085 14-Feb-2021 12:53

Guppy is in Australia T20 series, Allen on standby. Typical, to keep a topline batsman who's career has long been beset by inconsistency and hold back the next generation. Thats what we do best

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#2656086 14-Feb-2021 12:55

TeaLeaf:
Finn Allen is in a completely different level to anybody else in NZ

Agree. Probably everyone agrees except the selectors. We rarely advance players here, they wait for injuries so they can start their career late

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#2656088 14-Feb-2021 12:56

tdgeek:
Guppy is in Australia T20 series, Allen on standby. Typical, to keep a topline batsman who's career has long been beset by inconsistency and hold back the next generation. Thats what we do best

I thought Munro would be playing this series. I guess NZC were pissed that he decided to play in the BBL in Australia.

I would have preferred Milne to be selected over Bennett. Was surprised that they didn’t select Daryl Mitchell in this series.

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#2656090 14-Feb-2021 12:57

tdgeek:

Guppy is in Australia T20 series, Allen on standby. Typical, to keep a topline batsman who's career has long been beset by inconsistency and hold back the next generation. Thats what we do best

It’s a puzzling selection. Guppy has scored 46 runs at 11.5 in the super smash and has a bung hamstring; Allen has scored 512 runs at 56.88 and is fit. Guppers did poorly against WI and Pakistan also.

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#2656092 14-Feb-2021 12:59

BlinkyBill:
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Guppy is in Australia T20 series, Allen on standby. Typical, to keep a topline batsman who's career has long been beset by inconsistency and hold back the next generation. Thats what we do best

It’s a puzzling selection. Guppy has scored 46 runs at 11.5 in the super smash and has a bung hamstring; Allen has scored 512 runs at 56.88 and is fit. Guppers did poorly against WI and Pakistan also.

That’s the problem with NZC. They always seem to keep someone in the team who has failed for a long time. Thought they would have learned from CWC2019 to not select someone who has constantly been underperforming.

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#2656094 14-Feb-2021 13:04

Yep, all credit to Guppy and his stellar career, but like Australia used to be (or maybe still are) you had to work hard to stop anyone from Australia B taking your place. Keeps everyone on their toes.

Yeah, Dazzle has been pretty awesome, a real live wire

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#2656211 14-Feb-2021 16:50

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Guppy is in Australia T20 series, Allen on standby. Typical, to keep a topline batsman who's career has long been beset by inconsistency and hold back the next generation. Thats what we do best

Third most T20i runs of all time. One of the best fielders in the world. Highly inconsistent, definitely.

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#2656400 14-Feb-2021 21:45

tdgeek:
TeaLeaf:
Finn Allen is in a completely different level to anybody else in NZ

Agree. Probably everyone agrees except the selectors. We rarely advance players here, they wait for injuries so they can start their career late

He is not a different level. If he played in a full series against every top line player in NZ and did the same then maybe. Of course he never faced his own bowlers and against the number 2 team in 3 innings averaged in the teens.

Not that it is relevant to T20 maybe but in both first class cricket and 50 overs cricket he averages 19

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#2656410 14-Feb-2021 22:11

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Guppy is in Australia T20 series, Allen on standby. Typical, to keep a topline batsman who's career has long been beset by inconsistency and hold back the next generation. Thats what we do best

It’s a puzzling selection. Guppy has scored 46 runs at 11.5 in the super smash and has a bung hamstring; Allen has scored 512 runs at 56.88 and is fit. Guppers did poorly against WI and Pakistan also.

Not really. One of the reasons we have had consistent success in all forms is that we don't chop and change players based on "form". We used to do that and it was an abject failure. All it did was screw the team up.

We pick who the selectors see as the best players, on and off the pitch, and let them play. Sometimes they fail and far more often they succeed. If they don't succeed over an extended period then a change is made.

The peanut gallery on here were screaming for Henry Nicholls to be dropped at the start of the summer. He scored 400 runs in 5 knocks. Same story with Latham a couple of years ago.

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#2656411 14-Feb-2021 22:16

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Agree. Probably everyone agrees except the selectors. We rarely advance players here, they wait for injuries so they can start their career late

He is not a different level. If he played in a full series against every top line player in NZ and did the same then maybe. Of course he never faced his own bowlers and against the number 2 team in 3 innings averaged in the teens.

Not that it is relevant to T20 maybe but in both first class cricket and 50 overs cricket he averages 19

He's an extremely talented young player who's played well for a month. When Brendon McCullum did that we played him against Australia and he was an abject failure - he needed a couple of years to find his feet. Going back many years Ken Rutherford was broken by being picked too early. Picking players in the right circumstances is important.

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#2656443 15-Feb-2021 07:30

I don't think anyone here is suggesting pick on form, as in drop Guppy put a form player in, fail, drop him get someone else etc. Guppy's trend line has been steadily dropping. Should we be playing Australia in Australia, you can certainly make a case to use Guppy, solely based on experience. Australia in Austrlia is arguably the most serious test. But in NZ, with local conditions and local tracks, its an ideal opportunity to give Allen type newcomers a start. Its likely that Allen will prove to be at international level, and like Conway, no one would be surprised if he excelled. If he didnt go that well, its probably no worse than what Guppy would provide, to me, there isnt a high level of downside, and potentially, who knows, maybe the next big thing

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#2656449 15-Feb-2021 07:45

Allen has played well at domestic level for a couple of months. He left Auckland because he could only get the occasional run in the team since 2018. He's very talented and did pretty well at age group stuff but he's played well at domestic level for a couple of months.

That's classic pick a "form" player over a proven player. By that sort of rationale Ross Taylor would have been dropped a couple of years ago and he's been incredibly productive in recent years.

You keep banging about how Australia would have picked back in the day. The truth is they didn't pick many young players at all. They did exactly what the NZ selectors do now - they pick on class and give players a chance to find form. Players like Hayden and Hussey scored big runs but didn't get picked until their mid-late 20s because guys like Taylor and Martyn were given a chance to ride out periods of form. It worked then and it still works now.

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#2656451 15-Feb-2021 08:02

Ok, Guppy is proven, use him till he gets the pension, no room for anyone else unless there is an injury. There is a difference from pure form play and recognising the trend is declining and looking at new blood

As regards banging on, I have an opinion, if that's alright with you...

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