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#2821615 30-Nov-2021 13:13

Dochart:

I’m taking a horses for courses approach. It was either Taylor or Nicholls.

Which is sensible, especially when you are missing key components. Run scoring speed while missing Conway is one of those. Philliips is as good at FC level as Nicholls but so is Ravindra. Bowling wise Phillips is the better of the 2.

For me Id keep Taylor, knowing he will rebound at some stage, is a proven performer away where Nicholls is a terrible performer out of NZ.

But would be interested to see which one Handle would drop.

First it was Henry who was getting the chop last year, now people baying for our 2nd best batsman of all time (3rd if you count Kane at the top) to be dropped mid away tour, nuts imo.

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#2821620 30-Nov-2021 13:26

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So Conway is not proven? he needs to have done 100 tests before we can consider him a safe option in a test match?

Ravindra debuted, excellent performance. A few starts, and you can see where he may be headed in the future. That's the issue here, we dont like new blood we would rather stick with proven old timers as we know them and trust them, even though the averages are naturally trending down. Thats what we seem to do.

No, when they say proven, I mean first class, hes only JUST started, not even 30 first class matches yet. At this point hes about the same as Glenn Phillips, so he is clearly talented. They both similar bowlers, Glenn imo slightly better, Glenn has a better bowling avg and is only now starting to trying and improve it, so he has a solid base to improve from. You really can't go wrong investing in both of them, given they both going to be mid 40s type test players who can bowl a bit. Neither are good enough to included as all rounders though, Glenn if he improves maybe. Who knows, Ravindra might see that as the only way he will stick around the NZ scene too and put more work into it. But they both young and the future of NZ, so where we can we should be selecting both imo.

I agree about NZ sticking with old guard, but more so since Williamson has been captain, Larsen is ultra conservative as well, which shocked me with Ravindra getting a chance so early compared to other players. My main issue with old guard is selectors seem to want to use the base of the test team for all 3 formats. Which left us short a player in the T20 final, somebody like Finn Allen, unproven but far and away the best batsman last years super smash including his opening partner Conway. He didnt get a look in. Of course Munro made the 30 man squad out of NZC not looking idiots due to their policy of all NZ players must play for Super Smash, yet Milne some how avoided such treatment. The same reasoning Shane Bond had an early exist from playing for NZ, easily NZs 2nd best bowler all time at that point (and possibly still the most skillful at a wide variety od deliveries at 150kph). It is something NZ cricket definitely do. Sometims its warranted, other times it just makes me shake my head. Of course we want our best players playing in the NZ cup, but if they are not selected to play for NZ, why should we begrudge them earning a retirement and if they prove themselves in a tougher competition then pick them then ask them to stick with playing in NZ etc. Munro and Bond were just never handled well. I think Milne left it to his agent to handle it for him, which was/is the difference.

Handle you will know, Im having brain fog, who is the wicket keeper not far from selection? ugggh. I think he wlll end up replacing Blundell leaving Conway, Latham, Phillips to batting positions.

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#2821631 30-Nov-2021 13:32

TeaLeaf:
Dochart:

I’m taking a horses for courses approach. It was either Taylor or Nicholls.

Which is sensible, especially when you are missing key components. Run scoring speed while missing Conway is one of those. Philliips is as good at FC level as Nicholls but so is Ravindra. Bowling wise Phillips is the better of the 2.

For me Id keep Taylor, knowing he will rebound at some stage, is a proven performer away where Nicholls is a terrible performer out of NZ.

But would be interested to see which one Handle would drop.

First it was Henry who was getting the chop last year, now people baying for our 2nd best batsman of all time (3rd if you count Kane at the top) to be dropped mid away tour, nuts imo.

That’s why I picked Taylor over Nicholls as he has a better away record.

I don’t think NZ should risk with playing only 2 spinners if they select Jamieson, Southee and Wagner that’s why Philips should come in for Nicholls. He will have to bowl if the other 2 spinners don’t perform or if the seamers are unable to get wickets. For all we know Mumbai might be a rank turner so it would be good to have Philips as an option.

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#2821703 30-Nov-2021 14:03

Dochart:

That’s why I picked Taylor over Nicholls as he has a better away record.

I don’t think NZ should risk with playing only 2 spinners

And that is a fair point and one I share. Im not anti Nicholls, but Id select him at home near exclusive (although Eng I think I would pick him). They dropped Guptill from Tests due to a similar away performance. Had he only been more consistent at home he probably would never have been dropped. And that was with a very flakey team nowhere near the consistency Henry has had the luxury of.

To be honest I dont see an issue with 2 spinners, given none of them are high quality. If the 3 seamers take 16/20 wickets, that should be enough to win the match. Which with these 3, it should be, thats less than 3 a piece.

Wankhede is a bouncy pitch, known as a batsmans paradise. I can see any dibbly dobbly spin going over the boundary as it wont stick in the pitch or stay low, any half trackers will be dispatched.

For this reason I would pick the strongest batting team possible.

Which if you wanted to, you could keep Nicholls and go

Latham
Young
Williamson
Taylor
Nicholls
Phillips
Ravindra
Blundell (usually 7)
KJ
Southee
Wagner

Now thats a deep batting lineup.

KJ should be a handful with the red clay. But start of day 4 it will begin to spin. So would be a gamble omitting Patel and will put pressure on Phillips to take a couple of test wickets. Although hes an ultra confident sportsman sort, cometh the our, cometh the man and all that ;-p

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#2823791 3-Dec-2021 14:20

Kohli in, that just made it a lot more difficult now

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#2823845 3-Dec-2021 15:26

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Kohli in, that just made it a lot more difficult now

KJ has him under control, 4 times now, on similar wickets. If Taylors form is in question, Kohli surely has the same pressure. Unlike Kane whose Avg keeps increasing (if it doesnt that is how he will slip from #1 as that is what it is calculated off in ICC), Kholi since Kane started rising since 2014 has been slipping.

Shame we do not have Boult for a 4th seamer, it is going to move a LOT in the air.

If NZ win the toos here, no doubt Ind will be facing the trio of swing and this time with Wagner we will finish them off, yes I sound confident, I am. Full respect to Ind, this was always going to be seamers wicket, but the rain prior few days with the heat equals extreme humidity which equals extreme swing, especially with low cloud expected day 1 and 2. Lets pray to win the toss. Sharma is a good swing bowler lets not forget that, and there #1 strike bowler is back. So nearly even there but NZ slightly ahead with the swing and the longevity of Wags.

Going to be a fascinating first hour whoever wins the toss. But I feel NZ will handle the swing and bounce this wicket is known for better and we should see NZ make a solid 500 batting first, a hard won to win or lose for Kholi. Where NZ will be non stop attack even after the 20ov first spells, when Kane will use Patel to spread the 3 seamers out. With Wags, you can almost leave out another bowler and play a pure batsman, which would be GP, but Rachin has that spot already, so Im picking he will play given he is a good part timer bowler. I think GP will get his chance back in the home season.

This IS the pitch and conditions designed for KJ, chest high bouncers off a good length which Kholi hates and so did the openers who hes broken a few fingers. But also with his hooping in swinger to the right hander, that ball should be in full effect. Id definitely bowl KJ first, but would be tempted to give Wags a go fairly early on, maybe 3 ov from TIM and nothing doing put Wags on, as his swing bowling is his forgotten speciality. To be fair all 4 of our seamers are swing specialists, with KJ being in swing mostly, he use to swing it out but hes stopped bowling it which was mentioned last summer. Wags can swing it either way and being left hander will be dangerous to all who face him.

BC's seamers giddy with recent rain around the bouncy pitch :-)

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#2823906 3-Dec-2021 16:56

Wet outfield delays the toss. Uggh torture, I surely hope we get one go our way, which will go a long way to NZ winnings its first Test series in Ind. Im quietly confident either way but clearly bowling today we would have a major upper hand.

I feel Tom Blundell was a bigger batting assett too NZ when he was opening, since then hes been pretty piss poor. NZ have a plethora of other keepers who are better batsmen who should be keeping today imo. Blundell is a good keeper, but if he cannot stop the rot as keeper than hes not the right man for the Job. Id have put GP in regardless of giving up the gloves. I think that extends the batting line up, increases the run rate and makes NZ a more competitive side, thats what GP brings to the game, ultra high strung competitive, without deliberately anoying the umpires haha. Boy Young's howler decision was soooooo close to costing NZ a draw and definitly any chance of a win.

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#2823931 3-Dec-2021 17:28

Ive just got in. what the expected rain delay? Ages, or an hour?

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#2823932 3-Dec-2021 17:28

TeaLeaf:
Wet outfield delays the toss. Uggh torture, I surely hope we get one go our way, which will go a long way to NZ winnings its first Test series in Ind. Im quietly confident either way but clearly bowling today we would have a major upper hand.

I feel Tom Blundell was a bigger batting assett too NZ when he was opening, since then hes been pretty piss poor. NZ have a plethora of other keepers who are better batsmen who should be keeping today imo. Blundell is a good keeper, but if he cannot stop the rot as keeper than hes not the right man for the Job. Id have put GP in regardless of giving up the gloves. I think that extends the batting line up, increases the run rate and makes NZ a more competitive side, thats what GP brings to the game, ultra high strung competitive, without deliberately anoying the umpires haha. Boy Young's howler decision was soooooo close to costing NZ a draw and definitly any chance of a win.

I agree. He performed much better opening than batting at 6 as wicketkeeper.

News just in Ishant, Jadeja and Rahane injured. Williamson injured RIP. Guess Philips coming in then.

India XI most likely:
1. Gill
2. Agarwal
3. Pujara
4. Kohli
5. Iyer
6. Sky
7. Saha
8. Ashwin
9. Axar
10. Umesh
11. Siraj

NZ XI:
1. Latham
2. Young
3. Taylor
4. Nicholls
5. Philips
6. Blundell
7. Ravindra
8.Jamieson
9. Southee
10. Wagner
11. Patel

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#2823933 3-Dec-2021 17:31

Again, just got in, whose in the NZ team?

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#2823934 3-Dec-2021 17:33

tdgeek:
Again, just got in, whose in the NZ team?

Haven’t announce yet due to delay in toss. Another pitch inspection at 6pm NZT.

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#2823940 3-Dec-2021 17:39

Dochart:
tdgeek:

Again, just got in, whose in the NZ team?

Haven’t announce yet due to delay in toss. Another pitch inspection at 6pm NZT.

Thanks DC

I'll record it and watch Asia Golf Tour for a bit over tea.

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#2823942 3-Dec-2021 17:51

Kane out

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#2823943 3-Dec-2021 17:54

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Kane out

Yea, mentioned it just before.

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#2823945 3-Dec-2021 18:00

Williamson out, just when his team needs him to fight through injury to be honest.

Phillips is a must, not Mitchell. Doull saying Mitchell will give you a 3rd seamer option.... I thought its Wags, KJ and Southee, what do we need part time seam for? I love mitchell but hes not one of the most important tests in NZs history player. Need Phillips at 3 to push the run rate up.

If NZ lose the toss, dang.

But 3 key Indian players out. Dropping like flies.

As DC mentioned above.

For me Taylor is the key now, he needs to fight form for form. Nichols the same. This is a gorgeous batting surface and Ind have lost their key swing bowler. I think it will swing even by mid tomorrow.

Get on with it, put some deeper sprigs on. haha.

Kane just needs to take the time correcly.

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