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#1578021 21-Jun-2016 22:41

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So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Catch up. The conspiracy theories were put to rest ages ago. Nobody thought his 'new mechanics/ engineers' were noobie when they put together practically flawless performances in Monaco in a very complicated weekend and 2 weeks later in Canada.

Maybe he shouldn't have turned up and shown off about barely driving the track in the simulator and then when he turns up he decides to play with his dogs on snapchat instead of going on a track walk.

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I never said conspiracy, that's just a dumb comment. These guys are highly professional and also well trained, but this crew does appear to not be as consistent as the crew from the previous seasons... You can still be experienced and trained but do basic errors from time to time.

For someone that doesn't do simulators, he dominated free practice (all three sessions) so sure, blame that; he had a crap qualifying and then the team had the car in the wrong mappings...

Hard to decipher from TW interview if it was the "incorrect" mappings, or the team (not pit crew/mechanics) decided on a mapping that that they took as optimised (TW words) but wasn't very good. Getting hard core facts is hard in F1.

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#1578026 21-Jun-2016 22:49

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So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

To NC: you know, you did something before, it's happened again. we cannot say anymore

To LH: you have a problem, we cannot tell you how to fix it, but you can fix it yourself, but we cannot tell you how. sorry.

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#1578028 21-Jun-2016 22:51

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So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Hard to say. As mentioned they are the console generation. And they should know or be shown all the modes, and all reasons why mode changes might be used for problem solving.

But Hamilton seemed lost, both in the race and after the race when he was interviewed. He ended upon doing anything. True a fail by whoever didn't set the car correctly, but mainly from the team for not ensuring that knowledge was there. Rosberg said he boned up on that more. Lewis said there are 100, no 200 combinations.

From what I recall other drivers saying, there can be over 1000 settings on the a current F1 wheel alone; I would certainly not be expected to know every single one and to be able to diagnose an engine mapping fault and then put it in the right one... Kimi couldn't do it either, so its not just Hamilton.

I doubt Rosberg would be able to solve the situation either that Hamilton was in, not that I have a clue about these wheels bar what I have read and seen, but man their complex; its crazy to see them going through options and changing settings on the approach to braking zones!

Agree, although not the 1000 number. You don't multiply them all. There will be many mutually exclusive settings. And engine mode is one setting of a number of modes, but there are other settings of other modes that aren't relevant. But you cant expect me to not be allowed to text while driving at 50k, and allow Hamilton to scroll through options on a wheel at 350k, thats ridiculous.

Im actually disappointed how such an issue can happen in F1. Modes are decided. Someone sets them in the wheel. Another two check it. Driver knows how to reset to this configured preset if he inadvertently bumps to changes it. Other than that the diver knows the engine mode that he can switch to, for passing, fuel save, etc, same for diff and brake bias. They need a geek

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#1578030 21-Jun-2016 22:54

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Benoire:

So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

To NC: you know, you did something before, it's happened again. we cannot say anymore

To LH: you have a problem, we cannot tell you how to fix it, but you can fix it yourself, but we cannot tell you how. sorry.

No. They were told there was an engine mode issue, no further help given. Rosberg knew he had made a change so he reversed that, Hamilton hadn't made a change so he fiddled and set it to what it was with the fault, which fixed itself. What Benoire said

Whose NC? NiCo?

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#1578031 21-Jun-2016 22:55

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Benoire:

So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Hard to say. As mentioned they are the console generation. And they should know or be shown all the modes, and all reasons why mode changes might be used for problem solving.

But Hamilton seemed lost, both in the race and after the race when he was interviewed. He ended upon doing anything. True a fail by whoever didn't set the car correctly, but mainly from the team for not ensuring that knowledge was there. Rosberg said he boned up on that more. Lewis said there are 100, no 200 combinations.

You don't understand. This is not a PS4 game that has hard coded gameplay and a controller with 6 buttons.

This is a machine that is more complicated than rocket science that has infinite permutations from the dials notwithstanding hidden menus that can be accessed that is not immediately altered by twisting a dial. You need to read the manual to fix an unknown problem. Either Rosberg memorized the manual or he knew the problem and happen to know which hidden menu to access.

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#1578033 21-Jun-2016 23:00

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Benoire:

So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Catch up. The conspiracy theories were put to rest ages ago. Nobody thought his 'new mechanics/ engineers' were noobie when they put together practically flawless performances in Monaco in a very complicated weekend and 2 weeks later in Canada.

Maybe he shouldn't have turned up and shown off about barely driving the track in the simulator and then when he turns up he decides to play with his dogs on snapchat instead of going on a track walk.

Karma's a b1tch

I dont care for Hamilton myself either, but this issue was not his fault, nor his lacking ability in order to fix it.

What I have noticed (OT) is that when he is not focused and/or confident, he's not there. After winning the title last year he lost the edge. He was down in FP3, that passed onto quali, and while I can't say it passed into his race (as no evidence he was great or not) his tone with that issue, was almost sad and forlorn. Now he says the title looks like Nico's but he will fight. I'm sure he is probably a nice enough guy, but he cannot handle success and he cannot handle failure.

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#1578034 21-Jun-2016 23:03

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Benoire:

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Benoire:

So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Hard to say. As mentioned they are the console generation. And they should know or be shown all the modes, and all reasons why mode changes might be used for problem solving.

But Hamilton seemed lost, both in the race and after the race when he was interviewed. He ended upon doing anything. True a fail by whoever didn't set the car correctly, but mainly from the team for not ensuring that knowledge was there. Rosberg said he boned up on that more. Lewis said there are 100, no 200 combinations.

From what I recall other drivers saying, there can be over 1000 settings on the a current F1 wheel alone; I would certainly not be expected to know every single one and to be able to diagnose an engine mapping fault and then put it in the right one... Kimi couldn't do it either, so its not just Hamilton.

I doubt Rosberg would be able to solve the situation either that Hamilton was in, not that I have a clue about these wheels bar what I have read and seen, but man their complex; its crazy to see them going through options and changing settings on the approach to braking zones!

Agree, although not the 1000 number. You don't multiply them all. There will be many mutually exclusive settings. And engine mode is one setting of a number of modes, but there are other settings of other modes that aren't relevant. But you cant expect me to not be allowed to text while driving at 50k, and allow Hamilton to scroll through options on a wheel at 350k, thats ridiculous.

Im actually disappointed how such an issue can happen in F1. Modes are decided. Someone sets them in the wheel. Another two check it. Driver knows how to reset to this configured preset if he inadvertently bumps to changes it. Other than that the diver knows the engine mode that he can switch to, for passing, fuel save, etc, same for diff and brake bias. They need a geek

From reading TW interview my impression was the car was configured to give more boost when exiting slow corners (remember Vettel saying Ferrari and Merc has the same HP but somehow the Mercs are faster in the slow twisty bits not due to aero - read his interview).

But the special map specific to boost when exiting slow corners did not work during race - was fine during FP and quali I imagine. He had to access the code specific to boost when exiting slow corners and revert it to an alternate one presumably saved in the ECU. Rosberg accidentally accessed it. Hamilton either forgot how to, didn't know the issue, or wasn't told how to. Maybe Rosberg is a geek?

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#1578037 21-Jun-2016 23:16

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tdgeek:

Benoire:

So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Hard to say. As mentioned they are the console generation. And they should know or be shown all the modes, and all reasons why mode changes might be used for problem solving.

But Hamilton seemed lost, both in the race and after the race when he was interviewed. He ended upon doing anything. True a fail by whoever didn't set the car correctly, but mainly from the team for not ensuring that knowledge was there. Rosberg said he boned up on that more. Lewis said there are 100, no 200 combinations.

You don't understand. This is not a PS4 game that has hard coded gameplay and a controller with 6 buttons.

This is a machine that is more complicated than rocket science that has infinite permutations from the dials notwithstanding hidden menus that can be accessed that is not immediately altered by twisting a dial. You need to read the manual to fix an unknown problem. Either Rosberg memorized the manual or he knew the problem and happen to know which hidden menu to access.

I do understand so don't tell me I don't.

So, they provide a driver with infinite permutations so that they can use a few thousand of them in a race?????

So, when they change engine mode to fuel save or passing, thats 35 steps????

Same with brake bias and Diff???

It has about 15 buttons, 6 rotors, 3 rotate dials. Not many of these are used in the race. Many are used for the presets which include the full complement of current settings, i.e.the cars makeup, not just settings. This is in the form of scroll menus, like an aircraft FMC

Rosberg didn't memorise the manual, how would that help??? The config is todays full setup and makeup off the car. Thats not in the manual, it on the file that the top men in the team has decided on.

So how did Rosberg fix his? he fiddled with a setting, so he reversed this. Thats been stated in the media and here. So he did nothing, it fixed itself. Hamilton fiddled and put it back. He didn't fiddle with much. It fixed itself.

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#1578042 21-Jun-2016 23:23

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tdgeek:

Benoire:

tdgeek:

Benoire:

So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Hard to say. As mentioned they are the console generation. And they should know or be shown all the modes, and all reasons why mode changes might be used for problem solving.

But Hamilton seemed lost, both in the race and after the race when he was interviewed. He ended upon doing anything. True a fail by whoever didn't set the car correctly, but mainly from the team for not ensuring that knowledge was there. Rosberg said he boned up on that more. Lewis said there are 100, no 200 combinations.

From what I recall other drivers saying, there can be over 1000 settings on the a current F1 wheel alone; I would certainly not be expected to know every single one and to be able to diagnose an engine mapping fault and then put it in the right one... Kimi couldn't do it either, so its not just Hamilton.

I doubt Rosberg would be able to solve the situation either that Hamilton was in, not that I have a clue about these wheels bar what I have read and seen, but man their complex; its crazy to see them going through options and changing settings on the approach to braking zones!

Agree, although not the 1000 number. You don't multiply them all. There will be many mutually exclusive settings. And engine mode is one setting of a number of modes, but there are other settings of other modes that aren't relevant. But you cant expect me to not be allowed to text while driving at 50k, and allow Hamilton to scroll through options on a wheel at 350k, thats ridiculous.

Im actually disappointed how such an issue can happen in F1. Modes are decided. Someone sets them in the wheel. Another two check it. Driver knows how to reset to this configured preset if he inadvertently bumps to changes it. Other than that the diver knows the engine mode that he can switch to, for passing, fuel save, etc, same for diff and brake bias. They need a geek

From reading TW interview my impression was the car was configured to give more boost when exiting slow corners (remember Vettel saying Ferrari and Merc has the same HP but somehow the Mercs are faster in the slow twisty bits not due to aero - read his interview).

But the special map specific to boost when exiting slow corners did not work during race - was fine during FP and quali I imagine. He had to access the code specific to boost when exiting slow corners and revert it to an alternate one presumably saved in the ECU. Rosberg accidentally accessed it. Hamilton either forgot how to, didn't know the issue, or wasn't told how to. Maybe Rosberg is a geek?

What TW interview is that? Not the one on race day? That says nothing off the sort. I just checked F1.com in case he said more, but I cant see it. Rosberg accidentally accessed it? he did make a change, the he put it back.

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#1578045 21-Jun-2016 23:43

tdgeek:

benokobi:

Benoire:

So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Catch up. The conspiracy theories were put to rest ages ago. Nobody thought his 'new mechanics/ engineers' were noobie when they put together practically flawless performances in Monaco in a very complicated weekend and 2 weeks later in Canada.

Maybe he shouldn't have turned up and shown off about barely driving the track in the simulator and then when he turns up he decides to play with his dogs on snapchat instead of going on a track walk.

Karma's a b1tch

I dont care for Hamilton myself either, but this issue was not his fault, nor his lacking ability in order to fix it.

What I have noticed (OT) is that when he is not focused and/or confident, he's not there. After winning the title last year he lost the edge. He was down in FP3, that passed onto quali, and while I can't say it passed into his race (as no evidence he was great or not) his tone with that issue, was almost sad and forlorn. Now he says the title looks like Nico's but he will fight. I'm sure he is probably a nice enough guy, but he cannot handle success and he cannot handle failure.

He's like the Justin Bieber of F1. Flashy and entitled. Some of his fans are worse though. Every time Rosberg doe's something they're immediately on the attack calling him useless etc. Like in spain where he pushed him off. Hamilton does similar moves on the regular driving off the racing line to defend his teammate who's obviously got a better start. Yet when Hamilton loses his own line to defend Vettel off the line angling his car on the line towards Nico it's racing and all that rubbish.

F1 is a team sport. The teams just want to win so they can have more advertising visible on TV and the drivers are paid to win and they shouldn't be running people off the road.

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#1578047 22-Jun-2016 00:06

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benokobi:

Benoire:

So from the articles I've read it appears that Hamiltons car was set to the wrong mode by the mechanics / engineers when it before the car was sent out to the track, while Rosberg accidently put his in the mode while driving during the race; Rosberg was immediately told that there was a problem and as he had just done it he found it quickly... Hamilton would have had NO idea where to start as it wouldn't be obvious... another noobie error from Hamilton's new mechanics/engineers... Seems quite common this season since Mercedes swapped their crews around.

Catch up. The conspiracy theories were put to rest ages ago. Nobody thought his 'new mechanics/ engineers' were noobie when they put together practically flawless performances in Monaco in a very complicated weekend and 2 weeks later in Canada.

Maybe he shouldn't have turned up and shown off about barely driving the track in the simulator and then when he turns up he decides to play with his dogs on snapchat instead of going on a track walk.

Karma's a b1tch

I dont care for Hamilton myself either, but this issue was not his fault, nor his lacking ability in order to fix it.

What I have noticed (OT) is that when he is not focused and/or confident, he's not there. After winning the title last year he lost the edge. He was down in FP3, that passed onto quali, and while I can't say it passed into his race (as no evidence he was great or not) his tone with that issue, was almost sad and forlorn. Now he says the title looks like Nico's but he will fight. I'm sure he is probably a nice enough guy, but he cannot handle success and he cannot handle failure.

He's like the Justin Bieber of F1. Flashy and entitled. Some of his fans are worse though. Every time Rosberg doe's something they're immediately on the attack calling him useless etc. Like in spain where he pushed him off. Hamilton does similar moves on the regular driving off the racing line to defend his teammate who's obviously got a better start. Yet when Hamilton loses his own line to defend Vettel off the line angling his car on the line towards Nico it's racing and all that rubbish.

F1 is a team sport. The teams just want to win so they can have more advertising visible on TV and the drivers are paid to win and they shouldn't be running people off the road.

I dont disagree with much of what you said, but in the context of the radio ban, its not his fault. Its his teams for screwing up the mapping, and from what I gather, the mapping was correct, what they decided from their "messy Friday" so the mapping was a team error, not a fault.

TW stated that Nico made a change so he got on the right track, but it took Lewis longer. Thats a lie. Nico said in his interview that he made a change pre race, was told of the problem so he reversed that change. = no change. Lewis fiddled, and put it back to what it was = no change, it fixed itself. I can only assume they reset it somehow from the pit wall. End of the day, the driver and TW comments don't match, and as F1 is so secret, we hear a "suitable for the media" explanation from TW, whereas the drivers answered a basic question straight after the race.

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#1585083 3-Jul-2016 12:10

Should a driver who fully crosses the white line, lose that lap in qualifying, or receive a time penalty during the race?

Austria's practices and qualifying, were are joke.

Some drivers who damaged their suspensions when they hit the baguettes, complained about them being unsafe. I wonder what would their responses would have been had they been racing at Monaco :)

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#1585201 3-Jul-2016 18:56

Qualifying was more exciting (with the rain and people smashing their cars to pieces) than the race is likely to be.

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#1585231 3-Jul-2016 19:02

It will be interesting to see how Hamiltons Ultra Softs fair at the beginning. He has the advantage of being in pole and with luck should streak away to give him the gap he needs for the pit stop... Rosberg on the other hand, starting down the line on Ultra softs should get a good start but might suffer tyre problems much earlier than the others on the supers around him... Interesting race for him I think.

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#1585258 3-Jul-2016 20:09

Jaxson: Qualifying was more exciting (with the rain and people smashing their cars to pieces) than the race is likely to be.

Tour de France is likely to have more interesting moments.

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