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#3107343 23-Jul-2023 17:17

Jaxson:

Strange how the Aston/Alonzo hype train is now over.

I was reading this afternoon that they can’t dial in to the new tyre compound that Pirelli brought to the paddock. It is possibly only a few 10ths difference but now the others have caught up it is a big slide down in qually.

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#3107370 23-Jul-2023 20:12

McLaren 1-2 if Lewis and Max don't give each other any space into turn 1?

More seriously, I'm picking HAM will start on a soft with Merc's gentle tyre wear and take the lead into turn 1 but VER's race pace to take over by lap 5. McLaren surely to split the strategy, maybe NOR on mediums and PIA on hards. Then karma to make up for Silverstone and PIA to get a free stop under a safety car. 😁

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#3107372 23-Jul-2023 20:16

The short straights negate some of the DRS that Redbull have and the car seems twitchy on the tyres; merc seems to be ok and should be good for the tyres as the temps increase. I'm still not sure of the race pace though, Mercedes seem stronger for race pace normally especially as the temp increases but redbull are mighty strong and McLaren is now fast and slippery. Be good to see if Alfa can remain where they are and compete against the Ferrari.

Spa though will be a Redbull track; long DRS straights and med/high corner speeds.

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#3107376 23-Jul-2023 21:02

Benoire:

The short straights negate some of the DRS that Redbull have and the car seems twitchy on the tyres; merc seems to be ok and should be good for the tyres as the temps increase. I'm still not sure of the race pace though, Mercedes seem stronger for race pace normally especially as the temp increases but redbull are mighty strong and McLaren is now fast and slippery. Be good to see if Alfa can remain where they are and compete against the Ferrari.

Spa though will be a Redbull track; long DRS straights and med/high corner speeds.

The F2 Sprint Race, I don't recall anyone passing under DRS (ignoring being passed due to tyre issues.)

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#3107378 23-Jul-2023 21:13

Just watching it now. Track temps at 38 already, going to be baking for the f1 teams. I was at the circuit in 2007 and it's exposed and surrounded by Plains and was hot enough back then to cook an egg and it wasn't as hot during f2 then as it is now.

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#3107400 24-Jul-2023 06:58

Benoire: Just watching it now. Track temps at 38 already, going to be baking for the f1 teams. I was at the circuit in 2007 and it's exposed and surrounded by Plains and was hot enough back then to cook an egg and it wasn't as hot during f2 then as it is now.

F1 race start it was 53

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#3107402 24-Jul-2023 07:22

Interesting race.

RBR race pace still very good and better than quali pace

Mercedes below average on high fuel and with high track temps (as was the case with McLaren) But above average on low fuel

McLaren above average on high fuel, but slipped back on low fuel. Given they coulda woulda shoulda got pole, it must be tyres on low fuel they slipped back on

While the 33 second win was high, it didnt look that way early, so its more a case that Mercedes fell back then later on McLaren fell back. These teams need to be solid from turn 1 till the end, thats the problem

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#3107434 24-Jul-2023 09:04

It was 12 wins in a row now for Red Bull/Max.
I think people are dreaming if they think anyone else is winning short of mechanical incident taking Max out.
As was mentioned at this point teams stop developing this years car and swing their attention to next year, meaning less pressure on Red Bull as well.

Outside of that one team, the rest of the field looks really fun and is changing a bit over time/temps etc.
Aston and Ferrari have fallen away of late and McLaren and Mercedes are climbing back up. That's 4 teams all in the mix and that's pretty cool.

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#3107445 24-Jul-2023 09:26

Jaxson:

It was 12 wins in a row now for Red Bull/Max.
I think people are dreaming if they think anyone else is winning short of mechanical incident taking Max out.
As was mentioned at this point teams stop developing this years car and swing their attention to next year, meaning less pressure on Red Bull as well.

Outside of that one team, the rest of the field looks really fun and is changing a bit over time/temps etc.
Aston and Ferrari have fallen away of late and McLaren and Mercedes are climbing back up. That's 4 teams all in the mix and that's pretty cool.

It is

IMHO Max isnt the gulf ahead that many say. If Mercedes were as good in the latter 35 laps as they were in the first, same for McLaren in reverse, it would have been closer. Yes, RBR are excellent, but in golf parlance, you need to score well on 18 holes, not 9

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Spa is a very different track, so more to have fun watching

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#3107537 24-Jul-2023 12:02

First and last ~10 laps were pretty good. Rest was a little dull. There were lots of overtakes though, which does tend to show that overtakes is more a quality than quantity game.

But no more washed opinions from me. I've now 0-4, having predicted McLaren to struggle at Hungary, wildly inaccurate starting tyres, Hamilton to have a good start, and Piastri to get some good luck.

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#3107612 24-Jul-2023 15:39

Really expected Lewis to mount a serious challenge at this circuit, disappointing. The RB car is still a rocketship, perhaps even more of a rocketship once we see it on the high speed tracks still to come.

Another great result for Lando and McLaren generally though, if Checo had sorted out his quali, perhaps the Papaya car would have only been in the frame for P3. Piastri looked very good again, will be a handful once he gains more experience.

Ricciardo Watch - shame about the impact of the first corner but appeared to acquit himself as well as could be expected at this stage. Can't argue that he's an improvement for AT over deVries.

The Dutchman definitely made the wrong call in joining AT instead of Williams when both were seeking his signature. Possibly still be in F1 now. I guess he backed his ability and considered himself able to make the jump to the senior RB team eventually, but it's always these decisions that get exposed by the clarity of hindsight.

Anyone see Lawson in a garage during the coverage? F1TV spoke with Pourchere and yet another time looking at one of the Fittipaldi brothers in the post-race. Part of me feels like Liam should be getting his face in the paddock media more, making himself known. Maybe RB don't permit their Juniors to do that stuff.

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#3107689 24-Jul-2023 19:47

thermonuclear:

The RB car is still a rocketship, perhaps even more of a rocketship once we see it on the high speed tracks still to come.

Sorry, I disagree. Its the best package, but if Mercedes can do Turn 1 to Turn 70 that would help, same with McLaren. RBR is the best but not a 2 seconds per lap that Mercedes were in 2014, but they have done better. Because they are solid Turn 1 to Turn 70

I "think" Lawson was there in FP?

Watched the post race, I was REALLY impressed with Oscar. Owned that he has a lot to learn with tyre management. Still 5th. Watch him.

Spa will tell a lot, Mercedes and McLaren should get learnings

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#3107703 24-Jul-2023 20:43

It may not be 2s per lap faster, but it’s suitably safe for Max to not have to push it much to stay ahead and win. He regularly easily pumps out the fastest lap each race when he feels like actually letting rip. The rest of the time he’s just managing the tyres and staying ahead enough ideally to have a free pit stop up his sleeve. It’s not close this year, they’ve won 12 in a row.

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#3107911 25-Jul-2023 15:58

If someone here has the F1 streaming package, is there a delay before you can stream the races. Somewhere I thought I saw a 48 hr delay...
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Is this true??

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#3107917 25-Jul-2023 16:04

The Pro package has live coverage and immediate replays at any time. I typically watch the European races first thing in the morning so a 3-4 hour delay. Also works with time shifting (e.g., pause a live race).

The Access package has delayed replays only, though it's not clear the delay - this page seems a little ambiguous.

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