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#1586015 5-Jul-2016 07:17

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Hamilton seems to always get the better of Rosberg. Reminds me of Jimmy Spithill and Dean Barker. Unfortunately for Nico he lost a few points. May or may not be important at the end. I don't see Hamilton being at fault this time ... do the rules say specifically whether you can block by not allowing someone to turn in? Essentially Nico tried to run Hamilton off the track by not allowing him to turn ... don't recall seeing that before! Nico is trying very hard!

Anyway - I don't understand how Max can do a 1 stop and Merc did a what 3 or 4 stop?!

Watch the race. I assume you have it recorded? You will see that Rosberg had damaged aero, the barge board was flapping around, plus debris at the back of the fort wing and the front of the floor. So his tyres grained. Hows that getting the better of him. Things happen, but if Rosberg hadn't had those issues, Hamilton wouldn't have got past

Heh, but I did enjoy his attitude after the contact, "I was on the outside" The tone not the words, funny.

It doesn't matter what damage he had or didn't have. The end of the story is Hamilton P1 Rosberg P4, when the starting the final lap it was Hamilton P2 Rosberg P1. So Hamilton got the better of him. Yes I watched the race this time! (on Replay of course) ...

It was also Hamilton P1 on the grid and Rosberg P7. I prefer to look at the whole race rather than have an opinion on the last 2 metres of it.

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#1586016 5-Jul-2016 07:21

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Hamilton seems to always get the better of Rosberg. Reminds me of Jimmy Spithill and Dean Barker. Unfortunately for Nico he lost a few points. May or may not be important at the end. I don't see Hamilton being at fault this time ... do the rules say specifically whether you can block by not allowing someone to turn in? Essentially Nico tried to run Hamilton off the track by not allowing him to turn ... don't recall seeing that before! Nico is trying very hard!

Anyway - I don't understand how Max can do a 1 stop and Merc did a what 3 or 4 stop?!

Rosberg turned in, the car didn't. His fault, but no more than a racing incident.

Umm I don't think he turned. He went straight on across the path of where Hamilton would have (and did forcefully) turn. "Apparently" he had brake problems. Either way, he's getting craftier ... hopefully soon he can get the upper hand ...

So you feel he said to himself, bugger, I'll just drive into Lewis? Its a classic F1 collision, the offender either carried too much speed, doh, or he over estimated the cornering on his grained tyres, especially as its the last gasp for Lewis and the last gasp for Rosberg. Classic stuff.

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#1586019 5-Jul-2016 07:34

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Hamilton seems to always get the better of Rosberg. Reminds me of Jimmy Spithill and Dean Barker. Unfortunately for Nico he lost a few points. May or may not be important at the end. I don't see Hamilton being at fault this time ... do the rules say specifically whether you can block by not allowing someone to turn in? Essentially Nico tried to run Hamilton off the track by not allowing him to turn ... don't recall seeing that before! Nico is trying very hard!

Anyway - I don't understand how Max can do a 1 stop and Merc did a what 3 or 4 stop?!

Rosberg turned in, the car didn't. His fault, but no more than a racing incident.

Umm I don't think he turned. He went straight on across the path of where Hamilton would have (and did forcefully) turn. "Apparently" he had brake problems. Either way, he's getting craftier ... hopefully soon he can get the upper hand ...

So you feel he said to himself, bugger, I'll just drive into Lewis? Its a classic F1 collision, the offender either carried too much speed, doh, or he over estimated the cornering on his grained tyres, especially as its the last gasp for Lewis and the last gasp for Rosberg. Classic stuff.

That's true, maybe he did misjudge. But Lewis was also desperate enough to turn in regardless hoping he'd be fine. At the end of the day, he escaped without a right rear puncture, Rosberg lost a few points and a slap on the wrist. But the good thing is Rosberg is "standing up for himself". I wonder if they will both be at Mercedes next year. They can't surely.

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#1586045 5-Jul-2016 07:47

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Hamilton seems to always get the better of Rosberg. Reminds me of Jimmy Spithill and Dean Barker. Unfortunately for Nico he lost a few points. May or may not be important at the end. I don't see Hamilton being at fault this time ... do the rules say specifically whether you can block by not allowing someone to turn in? Essentially Nico tried to run Hamilton off the track by not allowing him to turn ... don't recall seeing that before! Nico is trying very hard!

Anyway - I don't understand how Max can do a 1 stop and Merc did a what 3 or 4 stop?!

Rosberg turned in, the car didn't. His fault, but no more than a racing incident.

Umm I don't think he turned. He went straight on across the path of where Hamilton would have (and did forcefully) turn. "Apparently" he had brake problems. Either way, he's getting craftier ... hopefully soon he can get the upper hand ...

So you feel he said to himself, bugger, I'll just drive into Lewis? Its a classic F1 collision, the offender either carried too much speed, doh, or he over estimated the cornering on his grained tyres, especially as its the last gasp for Lewis and the last gasp for Rosberg. Classic stuff.

That's true, maybe he did misjudge. But Lewis was also desperate enough to turn in regardless hoping he'd be fine. At the end of the day, he escaped without a right rear puncture, Rosberg lost a few points and a slap on the wrist. But the good thing is Rosberg is "standing up for himself". I wonder if they will both be at Mercedes next year. They can't surely.

Im not a Lewis or Nico fan, but I appreciate what they have done. Your right, Nico has taken a step. Last year, Lewis had a small edge, clearly he was the favoured one by the team as he is marketable. Nico would crack, he failed to nail that last 2%. But once the title fell away, he unleashed. His quali and race wins show that, so ups to him for that.

What I loathe, is Lewis sulking when he loses, he clearly feels he deserves to win every race. When he wins he is embarrassing to watch afterwards. When he lucked into a win this year, "that was my best race ever, there was no luck involved" My god. Next race when asked, after finally getting a win "last race? Cant remember" Its a pity he cannot handle himself, and thats got worse. However, the racing I find this year is good, Id almost like to rule changes next year as Ferrari and RBR would probably have been level pegging,now that would sort the men from the boys.

I could see Rosberg going to Ferrari. Thats really the only place of note left. The two would be a great combo. Id love to see Perez go to Mercedes, he is now a top top driver.

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#1586111 5-Jul-2016 09:10

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Hamilton seems to always get the better of Rosberg. Reminds me of Jimmy Spithill and Dean Barker. Unfortunately for Nico he lost a few points. May or may not be important at the end. I don't see Hamilton being at fault this time ... do the rules say specifically whether you can block by not allowing someone to turn in? Essentially Nico tried to run Hamilton off the track by not allowing him to turn ... don't recall seeing that before! Nico is trying very hard!

Anyway - I don't understand how Max can do a 1 stop and Merc did a what 3 or 4 stop?!

Rosberg turned in, the car didn't. His fault, but no more than a racing incident.

Umm I don't think he turned. He went straight on across the path of where Hamilton would have (and did forcefully) turn. "Apparently" he had brake problems. Either way, he's getting craftier ... hopefully soon he can get the upper hand ...

Yes - telemetery & onboard footage from the stewards meeting showed that Nico didn't turn the wheel until "significantly" after the point where he would ordinarily turn in for the corner, and when he did turn, his input to the steering wheel was much less than the normal amount to make the turn.

He deliberately ran Hamilton out of track (something that he's making a habit of, and getting it wrong much more often that not) ...and went further than that by holding the outside line on the exit of the turn to prevent Hamilton from rejoining the track as well post-collision.

https://youtu.be/q4LZK5Ko0OU

Tellingly, Nico believes that he was in the right

I defended the inside and felt in a strong position, I was convinced that I would make it stick. I went deep because that was the best way at the time to try and defend my corner, to keep him on the outside.

This is developing into a bit of a pattern. Spa 2014 - He sticks his nose in "to make a point". Contact. Barcelona '16 - He forces his teammate of a straight piece of track. Contact. Canada '16 - turns in on his teammate on the apex of turn1. Contact. Austria '16 - runs his teammate wide at Turn 2. Contact.

In each case, Nico is trying to be aggressive, but is doing so seemingly without a full understanding of the technical regulations regarding race conduct.

Lewis is obviously not squeaky clean in this respect either, but it does seem to be Nico's go-to strategy more and more often now whenever they're side by side

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#1586150 5-Jul-2016 09:30

So you hate Rosberg, yeah we get that. Hamilton not squeaky clean? Sorry but thats laughable.

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#1586168 5-Jul-2016 09:49

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So you hate Rosberg, yeah we get that. Hamilton not squeaky clean? Sorry but thats laughable.

So you hate Hamilton, yeah we get that. But show me where he has ever been penalised for causing a collision in the three seasons that he's been racing against Nico?

Or did I misunderstand you? You believe that Hamilton IS squeaky clean?

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#1586180 5-Jul-2016 10:12

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So you hate Rosberg, yeah we get that. Hamilton not squeaky clean? Sorry but thats laughable.

So you hate Hamilton, yeah we get that. But show me where he has ever been penalised for causing a collision in the three seasons that he's been racing against Nico?

Or did I misunderstand you? You believe that Hamilton IS squeaky clean?

Oh dear, love Hamilton if you wish. Fortunately there has never been any rivalries in F1 that cause these discussions. And racing incidents that cause collisions rarely happen

If you feel Rosberg drove into him on purpose, and/or pushed him off the track on purpose thats fine. Hamilton would never ever do that

No I dont hate Hamilton, nor do I feel he's the amazing driver that he feels he is, and deserves to win every race, otherwise he sulks, and isnt well liked on the grid, keeps to himself, struggles to articulate himself, hence its very clear that he gets told to button it. Thats the real pity. Having to listen to embarrasing comments and attitudes.

Should he win the title, its because he knew he would, if he loses its because he knew he was too far back

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#1586224 5-Jul-2016 11:24

I've never expressed any great love for Hamilton. I'm merely providing a fact-based assessment of the recent comings together of the two team mates, from the point of view of both a big F1 fan, and from that of a person who has personal experience of door-to-door racing on a racetrack. (Albeit at the opposite end of the racing spectrum from F1!)

I find it personally disappointing that so many commenters here allow their personal biases to cloud their judgement of fact. In response to fact and evidence based arguments, many here quickly resort to ad hominem attacks, "He's a crybaby" "He's a cheat" "he sulks" which do nothing to advance any discussion beyond that of juvenile schoolyard namecalling.

I never expressed any dislike for Nico either. I'm only calling out what appears to be a trend of him "lashing out" on track in an attempt to gain an psychological equality with his team mate who has dominated him in past seasons with hard, aggressive closeouts. The difference (to my mind, and so far that of the stewards) has been that Hamilton's moves were within the regulations, ranging to borderline whereas Nico's have been borderline ranging to punishable.

But hey - it's your thread. Play it however you like...

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#1586317 5-Jul-2016 12:03

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I've never expressed any great love for Hamilton. I'm merely providing a fact-based assessment of the recent comings together of the two team mates, from the point of view of both a big F1 fan, and from that of a person who has personal experience of door-to-door racing on a racetrack. (Albeit at the opposite end of the racing spectrum from F1!)

I find it personally disappointing that so many commenters here allow their personal biases to cloud their judgement of fact. In response to fact and evidence based arguments, many here quickly resort to ad hominem attacks, "He's a crybaby" "He's a cheat" "he sulks" which do nothing to advance any discussion beyond that of juvenile schoolyard namecalling.

I never expressed any dislike for Nico either. I'm only calling out what appears to be a trend of him "lashing out" on track in an attempt to gain an psychological equality with his team mate who has dominated him in past seasons with hard, aggressive closeouts. The difference (to my mind, and so far that of the stewards) has been that Hamilton's moves were within the regulations, ranging to borderline whereas Nico's have been borderline ranging to punishable.

But hey - it's your thread. Play it however you like...

As youve said before. Perhaps look in the mirror as to whose biased.

" "He's a crybaby" "He's a cheat" "he sulks" which do nothing to advance any discussion beyond that of juvenile schoolyard namecalling."

Perhaps you can explain why Lewis attracts those descriptions all over the internet? Sour grapes, or repeated poor behaviours by him? But actually dont bother

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#1586349 5-Jul-2016 12:23

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Perhaps you can explain why Lewis attracts those descriptions all over the internet? Sour grapes, or repeated poor behaviours by him?

To be serious, I really don't believe what someone gets called on the internet has any bearing on truth, seriously; but for this case those comments appear accurate.

I don't think we are here to offer adjectives to suit Lewis, better not get the thread banned before Silverstone! Let that happen 2 weeks after the conclusion of the season!

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#1586374 5-Jul-2016 12:40

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Perhaps you can explain why Lewis attracts those descriptions all over the internet? Sour grapes, or repeated poor behaviours by him?

To be serious, I really don't believe what someone gets called on the internet has any bearing on truth, seriously; but for this case those comments appear accurate.

I don't think we are here to offer adjectives to suit Lewis, better not get the thread banned before Silverstone! Let that happen 2 weeks after the conclusion of the season!

True. My point was that, you can look at this incident, or another, or another. But looking at both drivers overall, there is a clear pattern of behaviour and attitude. Driving and not driving. While I found out last week that the intent isn't 100% true after all :-) it shows the patterns of thought of of millions.

I see Merc are wanting to take control. Team orders. Or a fine, please don't fine them. Or suspension. What I'd do, if Merc owned another team is swap both of them for 3 races with Ricciardo and Perez.

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#1586439 5-Jul-2016 13:43

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Perhaps you can explain why Lewis attracts those descriptions all over the internet? Sour grapes, or repeated poor behaviours by him? But actually dont bother

Why not. It certainly seems that Hamilton has a clear monopoly on Sour Grapes and repeated poor behaviour. Especially in the last 12 months!

I don't even want to comment on the race, to be honest. ... Two weekends in a row I've been screwed.

‘There was no real explanation to be honest. The decision was a bit of a shock. ...I really don’t see any reason.’

“like a madman” “suicidal”. “If I don’t go left [at the start], you crash into us and we all three go out – you are like a torpedo.”

‘It feels like GP2. Embarrassing. Very embarrassing. Arrgh! GP2 engine! GP2 engine!'

"I was ahead, mid-corner, I just looked at it. When I'm ahead I have the right to the track there and Lewis was too aggressive today. One step too far so that's not okay."

Personally, I love the fact that triumph contrasts with disappointment. That stakes run high, along with emotions. I'd much rather watch an entire field of James Hunts going at it tooth and nail, than a procession of automatons and corporate-speak shills.

Each to their own.

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#1586449 5-Jul-2016 14:06

Sometimes I disagree with having fast cars vs slow cars. So unfair. They should have 2 races. Normal order grid. Stop the race. Then reverse the order to qualifying success. Give more laps but same points ....

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#1586461 5-Jul-2016 14:20

"Personally, I love the fact that triumph contrasts with disappointment. That stakes run high, along with emotions. I'd much rather watch an entire field of James Hunts going at it tooth and nail, than a procession of automatons and corporate-speak shills."

Cheers for the mistaken assumption. That combative style doesnt really work. Best to conclude this side topic. Bottom line is we are both big F1 fans

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