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#2682103 28-Mar-2021 20:46

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Jaxson: I hear Honda are pulling out after this year, so Red Bull really need to make this one count.

Can Honda reconsider???

No Honda won't reconsider, they're out of F1.
I guess they might possibly come back when the new engine formula kicks in in 2025

In the meantime, the FIA has agreed that the exact same engine designs as used in 2021 are to be used in 2022-2024 inclusive. Because of this, Red Bull have set up a new subsidiary company that has bought all the IP and production machinery from Honda, and has shifted all the equipment to Milton Keynes. This will produce F1 engines for Red Bull and Alpha Tauri - and maybe anyone else that wants them - for the 2022, 2023 and 2024 seasons.

One thing that isn't clear is whether Honda will continue to make large castings (blocks & heads) and sell them to Red Bull, or alternatively that Rd Bull have set up an aluminium alloy casting plant in Milton Keynes
Another thing we don't know about yet is whether any Honda employees are being loaned / seconded / contracted to Red Bull to assist with the F1 engine project.

Doubtless all will become clear by the end of this year

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#2682462 29-Mar-2021 12:51

Merc 1 RB 0 ...

it seems they know how to win

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#2682699 29-Mar-2021 18:32

Bugger. Tyres ran out following

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#2682700 29-Mar-2021 18:33

I'm more suprised that the mercs rear tyres held up so well given some of the twitchnyess from the rear but it was a good end to the first gp

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#2682703 29-Mar-2021 18:38

Benoire:

I'm more suprised that the mercs rear tyres held up so well given some of the twitchnyess from the rear but it was a good end to the first gp

There is a few nuances here. Lewis had older tyres, but Max was following that does a lot of evening out. Lewis ran wide on a turn all race before being told not to, Max wasnt, he was obeying the tougher track limit rules. Thats helps the tyres. Max passed easy but he did leave the track, and lost ground there was well, so IMO Lewis had the rub of the green in those last laps. But track position helps that.

Bottas's last year at Mercedes thats for sure.

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#2682723 29-Mar-2021 19:18

Really wish those large shake up changes were here this year, but red bull do finally look close.

Cool to see McLaren have a play up the front end. Big progress to turn that one around recently.

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#2682840 30-Mar-2021 06:45

LH exceeded track limits 30 times but it seems if you don't over take you're fine. Unless you're not LH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/03/29/lewis-hamilton-exceeded-track-limits-nearly-30-times-max-verstappen/amp/

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#2682841 30-Mar-2021 06:46

The race director must be English?

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#2682842 30-Mar-2021 06:50

Batman: LH exceeded track limits 30 times but it seems if you don't over take you're fine. Unless you're not LH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/03/29/lewis-hamilton-exceeded-track-limits-nearly-30-times-max-verstappen/amp/

So if you read all the stuff, there was no clear requirement to not exceed at turn 4 during the race, only qualifying and parts of free practice... the lead to LH and VB exceeding until they where told not to. By this point Redbull had told MV that he could also do the same which he did until he was told he couldn't... and by the time the overtake happened Michael Masi had laid down the law on all parties... If it was such a problem then Michael Masi would have issued the warnings to LH much earlier in the race.

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#2682843 30-Mar-2021 06:54

Batman: LH exceeded track limits 30 times but it seems if you don't over take you're fine. Unless you're not LH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/03/29/lewis-hamilton-exceeded-track-limits-nearly-30-times-max-verstappen/amp/

Yep. Saves tyre wear while Max and everyone else was incurring tyre wear by racing on the track. He was lucky to escape. Had track position while Max cruised up to him, passed easily, but the rare occasion of having to give it back was unlucky. Normally it would have been pass on lap 52 and draw away, all the news is about Max. Lucky break if you ask me.

They will have to enforce it more now.

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#2682844 30-Mar-2021 06:56

Benoire:

Batman: LH exceeded track limits 30 times but it seems if you don't over take you're fine. Unless you're not LH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/03/29/lewis-hamilton-exceeded-track-limits-nearly-30-times-max-verstappen/amp/

So if you read all the stuff, there was no clear requirement to not exceed at turn 4 during the race, only qualifying and parts of free practice... the lead to LH and VB exceeding until they where told not to. By this point Redbull had told MV that he could also do the same which he did until he was told he couldn't... and by the time the overtake happened Michael Masi had laid down the law on all parties... If it was such a problem then Michael Masi would have issued the warnings to LH much earlier in the race.

But why allow it then don't allow it? You either let it go for 56 laps or you dont let it go for 56 laps

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#2682846 30-Mar-2021 06:59

Benoire:

Batman: LH exceeded track limits 30 times but it seems if you don't over take you're fine. Unless you're not LH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/03/29/lewis-hamilton-exceeded-track-limits-nearly-30-times-max-verstappen/amp/

So if you read all the stuff, there was no clear requirement to not exceed at turn 4 during the race, only qualifying and parts of free practice... the lead to LH and VB exceeding until they where told not to. By this point Redbull had told MV that he could also do the same which he did until he was told he couldn't... and by the time the overtake happened Michael Masi had laid down the law on all parties... If it was such a problem then Michael Masi would have issued the warnings to LH much earlier in the race.

Seems to be a lot of discussion about "monitored" vs. "condoned" - with no one explicitly saying "the whole track limits thing doesn't apply on this corner at all". That's a lot different to "we won't be specifically watching this one corner to check if you're obeying the general track limits rule".

I can't hold it against Hamilton, because F1 has been to Bahrain about nine times in the last two years and to not have this clear cut by now is a joke and the FIA should be embarrassed. But I do know that if this had been Schumacher Snr, people would have been losing their minds over it and calling it dirty driving.

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#2682848 30-Mar-2021 07:01

Batman: LH exceeded track limits 30 times but it seems if you don't over take you're fine. Unless you're not LH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/03/29/lewis-hamilton-exceeded-track-limits-nearly-30-times-max-verstappen/amp/

This clarifies what I said https://amp.formula1.com/en/latest/article.masi-insists-track-limits-rules-were-clear-despite-hamilton-verstappen.2r9Ob5q4GJMmUkQFbwuHDU.html

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#2682849 30-Mar-2021 07:03

That's why LH was all a bit miffed, there was nothing directly in the notes regarding enforcement during the race but about 1/2 way through Michael Masi issues the warnings to both LH and MV to not exceed limits on turn 4 despite LH doing it without incident for all laps at that time and MV since Redbull noticed LH doing it. I hate the way the F1 and FIA fail to enfoce track limits. Its so ambiguous with the main rules not being clear and then hte supplementary race rules being also not so clear.

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#2682850 30-Mar-2021 07:05

Batman:
Batman: LH exceeded track limits 30 times but it seems if you don't over take you're fine. Unless you're not LH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2021/03/29/lewis-hamilton-exceeded-track-limits-nearly-30-times-max-verstappen/amp/

This clarifies what I said https://amp.formula1.com/en/latest/article.masi-insists-track-limits-rules-were-clear-despite-hamilton-verstappen.2r9Ob5q4GJMmUkQFbwuHDU.html

I don't blame LH here but why did they not enforce it from the get go, why wait until halfway through?

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