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#3170141 9-Dec-2023 19:33

Good commentary "the pitch is not up to test standard".

Shorful is unplayable, good bowler but no this good. KJ should have been bowled more looking at this.

Conways slump continues and these single digit scores will be slumping his avg.... Is uncanny how similar his domestic and international avg and SR in all 3 formats is, consistency. He will make them pay in the NZ white ball series.

Edit: OMG Nicholls misses the easiest ball to hit, hits him low on pad middle stump, then reviews it, out plum. Im sick of his flukey tons saving this fool. Rachin being a spinner would have done a MUCH better job. How did Nicholls make that look sub domestic level.................

Now we in the poop, when we need somebody like Taylor who could anchor an opening collapse we have Nicholls and his away avg of about 20

TeaLeaf

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#3170160 9-Dec-2023 20:31

Oh for flap sake just when Latham looked like the one to finish this off. Stop nibbling at it and just pretend its t20, all catchers are around the bat, so if you hit hard its likely to go over the top or into space, if not at least they tried.

Mitchell, Blundell, GP, Santner, KJ need to score 85 odd.

Dochart

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#3170163 9-Dec-2023 20:38

I think it will be Bangladesh 2-0

Had good chance to win but keep losing wickets. Repeat of the 1st Test Match.

TeaLeaf

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#3170165 9-Dec-2023 20:40

Dochart: I think it will be Bangladesh 2-0

Had good chance to win but keep losing wickets. Repeat of the 1st Test Match.

First match pitch was fair, bowlers worked for those wickets, this is a disgrace of a pitch, but a disgrace of a performance from the NZ team. One of these two need to score 50+

Dochart

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Ultimate Geek

#3170166 9-Dec-2023 20:43

Need to bring Young and Rachin in the test side. I hope next test series they try something different. The only thing I liked about the side they selected is Phillips both bat and ball in this series has been great.

TeaLeaf

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#3170169 9-Dec-2023 20:56

Dochart: Need to bring Young and Rachin in the test side. I hope next test series they try something different. The only thing I liked about the side they selected is Phillips both bat and ball in this series has been great.

Yeh, one has to ask why its been 3 years between tests for GP, avg is nearly 40 and he took 8 wickets when today he didnt get a bowl on a spinners paradise, but still finished in the top 4 wicket takers of the series from both sides.

Rachin is just obvious. We need a WK who doesnt plod like Blundell does, hes too much in his head and not enough see ball hit ball.

Edit: GPs rock back off drive which looks like a cut is exquisite and unique and rarely doesnt get to the boundary, love watching him bat less aerial than normal, if we win he is MOTM for sure.

Dochart

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#3170170 9-Dec-2023 21:05

Phillips, keep those 4s coming.

Santner as well now scoring some 4s

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TeaLeaf

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#3170173 9-Dec-2023 21:07

Dochart: Phillips, keep those 4s coming.

He just shows, see ball hit ball works vs waiting stupidly bat wavering waiting to be hit, especially Nicholls and Blundell, just cannot play on true spinning wickets.

Edit: Tea? Nobody wants to stop this, they can drink later. Get it to 20 and it should be a doddle, which normally would sound obvious, but this is a spitting cobra wicket.

TeaLeaf

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#3170179 9-Dec-2023 21:44

What was Bangers reviewing, missed bat front on by 3 inches..... absurd.

thermonuclear

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#3170180 9-Dec-2023 21:48

TeaLeaf:

Yeh, one has to ask why its been 3 years between tests for GP, avg is nearly 40 and he took 8 wickets when today he didnt get a bowl on a spinners paradise, but still finished in the top 4 wicket takers of the series from both sides.

Rachin is just obvious. We need a WK who doesnt plod like Blundell does, hes too much in his head and not enough see ball hit ball.

Those of you who have followed my posts in this thread will know I have been calling for Phillips to be a cast-iron guaranteed pick for NZ whenever they put a side on the park. I hope he is cementing a permanent place in this side now, hopefully at the expense of Nicholls whose form has been on the whole poor for too long now.

Normally I see pretty eye to eye with you Tealeaf, but I can't agree on your call to drop Blundell in favour of Fletcher. Do agree with you that Fletcher deserves a go, but perhaps in the shorter form stuff first. I think Blundell has earned the right to be given some more time as the test keeper. There were 12-18 months over the past couple of years when he and Mitchell were the only players to score any runs.

These are his recent test figures by series

ICC World Test Championship, 2021-2023
819 runs @ 43.10

New Zealand in India Test Series, 2021/22
23 runs @ 5.75

Bangladesh in New Zealand Test Series, 2021/22
68 runs @ 34.00

South Africa in New Zealand Test Series, 2021/22
146 runs @ 48.66

New Zealand in England Test Series, 2022
383 runs @ 76.60

New Zealand in Pakistan Test Series, 2022/23
172 runs @ 57.33

England in New Zealand Test Series, 2022/23
267 runs @ 66.75

Blundell has definitely had a lean trot against Sri Lanka and now Bangladesh recently but, as I say, he and Mitchell held our batting together through most of the last Test Championship cycle and both have earned the right to be guaranteed a spot in the side currently (and probably also to sit in the dressing room and ask some of their team-mates when they are going to start standing up and contributing to a few innings scores!)

TeaLeaf

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#3170182 9-Dec-2023 21:58

thermonuclear:

Blundell has definitely had a lean trot against Sri Lanka and now Bangladesh recently

I hear you, but look at where those scores are, all on hard pace bowler pitches, hes long .... on a bull when playing spin. He is just too inconsistent. Yes he had a good period when all we played was pace pitches, but he is a noodler, and noodlers will always fail at spin, its just a gamble sticking your bat out with zero skill or thought behind what he is doing.

Id rather a swash buckling keeper who gives it a go like GP is. The reason being is, he will compliment GPs play. Like Gilchrist did so often to his middle. Its not just that Blundell can only play flat no turn pitches, its also forming partnerships that make sense together. To me Mitchell, GP, Rachin, Fletcher makes more sense than Nicholls and Blundell amongst Mitchell and GP. Thats just my thoughts on it, not to mentiond the aging factor.

Speaking of GP, confirmed easily top avg of all players in this series with 57, hes proved the selectors wrong not playing him in the last Ind tour, a really stupid lack of vision by selector and captain.

Edit: the look of astonishment on the Bangers faces, this is not fair, they have a rubbish top 6 and put easily their best batsman in at 7 lol

TeaLeaf

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#3170183 9-Dec-2023 22:14

That was inspiring from Glenn Phillips, historical and one of the hardest pitches of spin to play on Ive ever seen. GP easily saved us from sub 80 scores.

Good one Santner. Like KJ, GP just seems to lift his partners around him.

The rest, shame on you.

Handle9

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#3170190 10-Dec-2023 00:34

thermonuclear:
This is going to be 2-0 to the Bangers, no words for them picking Santner again in this side when he was discarded from the test side 18 months ago.

The beginning of a new Test Championship cycle, they need to looking to the future.

This comment aged like warm milk.

TeaLeaf

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#3170240 10-Dec-2023 10:11

Handle9:

This comment aged like warm milk.

mmmmm warm milk ;-p

Im not a fan of Santner, but hes matured as a bowler who knows outside of yesterdays pitch he has little purchase. But what I personally enjoyed was his gyle with his speed and disguise of deliveries, he took some of the most important wickets too, then, clearly under guidance from Phillips how to play that sub domestic level pitch, he took it on, with pretty much the match resting on his partnership with GP (although to be fair KJ showed first innings he too had a similar approach but different way of doing it to Santner due to his reach). Have to give credit where its due.

Not to mention ajaz stealing another 5fa, which really wasnt a shock on the shocker from docker.......... lol

No doubt GP was the player of the series with both bat and ball, he should have opened with ajaz yesterday and it might have been 50 less to gt, we will never know.

But I think hes cemented a spot and if GP, Rachin, Santner, ajaz are all in SEa tours, it makes fiting in the two seamers at nine and ten an insurance policy, with the option to add a 3rd seamer and replace ajaz in the future with age. In fact you can fit 4 seamers in and still play GP, Rachin and Santner on pace pitches, giving many good options to shorten bursts for pace bowlers and get through overs quicker.

We have Sa and finally aus playing two match test series Feb/March. I think drop Nicholls for now and keep Blundell as he should be looking to retire within a year or two anyway, but they need to think and search long and hard about the next WK. I think we have missed the boat with Cam Fletcher.

any thoughts on good young WKs out there?

If Henry is injured who is our second and 4th pace bowlers? I think Lockie should play, with 3 spinners plus Mitchell in the side, there is plenty enough bowlers to keep him to 3-5 over bursts of pace, but he needs to learn just those 3 deliveries and fixate his length accuracy for each (yorker, bouncer, top of off)

Time for the top 5 batsmen to get their confidence back in these two white ball t20/ODI (Ban 3xt20 3xODI, Pak 5xT20) tours before hosting the test cricket power houses.

The aus tests count toward or WTC but not SA. Hopefully we can give aus some pay back from that tour prior to covid where we had two tests with circa 200-5 but our bowlers were injured and just couldnt finish them off with Labuschagne and Tim Payne as WK saving them first innings with big tons. Strike bowling will be at a premium.

The Basin only one test, one each team which is fair, CCh gets one of the aus tests, Hamiltron a test but the flappn mount gets a test (NZs version of sub par test pitches, good t20 night ground though). IMO all tests should be confined to Welli, CCH and Otago until auck finally builds this long in the tooth Test level cricket ground. There was talk about WestSprings to build it there with a new Warriors stadium (which has been needed forever), but that seems to have been rejected.

thermonuclear

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#3170295 10-Dec-2023 13:40

Handle9:

This comment aged like warm milk.

Yes at 5-51 and 6-69, NZ were clearly luring Bangladesh into a false sense of victory. World-beaters. :)

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