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TeaLeaf

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  #3170356 10-Dec-2023 15:01
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thermonuclear:

 

Yes at 5-51 and 6-69,  NZ were clearly luring Bangladesh into a false sense of victory. World-beaters.  :)

 

 

Thats exactly what I said the bangers faces were saying after GP kept slaying them first and second innings when nobody else prior had a clue how to handle them, quite satisfying in the end and exciting. They do have some good bowlers though. Shorful the pace guy could be a handful in NZ (assuming he will be picked). In the end Ban were reviewing some absurdities. 

 

Interesting that wicket which Ban reviewed in their innings. Plum lbw but had to over turn despite hitting half way down middle because hit him over 3m from the stumps, dont see it often. Luck Id say (hoping it was missing) not calculated.

at one point it seemed inevitable even with GP we were going to lose. Such is the unsealing effect Nicholls and Blundell have on the side, especially in sea countries.

 

Even just Rachin alone might improve that if he lives up to is white ball. I do not understand why we played him touring Ind (and not GP) then not when he was in form in Bang, all 3 really poor decisions which I did say at the time.

 

Id like to see Mitchell in at 4 Rachin 5, GP 6, Blundell for now 7, KJ 8. That appears a strong mid-low order (potential that is). No room for Santner in that lineup on pitches with no turn. But I bet they pick him and Nicholls.

 

GP avg Bat 46, Ball 16. Clearly a bit generous with the ball, but his spin skill has progressed rapidly from only a couple of years ago. I think he will end up more like 45 and ~30. I just hope he has matured with the bat and fixed the same problem Michael clarke had with going aerial far too often and just how much longer you can remain in the middle removing the caught option. Some of his boundaries via the back foot cover drive were just scintillating to watch.




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  #3170383 10-Dec-2023 17:54
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thermonuclear:

Handle9:


This comment aged like warm milk.



Yes at 5-51 and 6-69,  NZ were clearly luring Bangladesh into a false sense of victory. World-beaters.  :)



What you were trying to say was it was an excellent win and Santner played extremely well.

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  #3172193 15-Dec-2023 21:24
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Wow that was a close game, NZ had it with ease at one stage with the #11 being needed. 

 

NZ 20+ extras, Pak 3, all wides under pressure at the end. 

 

Great game from the Women.




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  #3172611 17-Dec-2023 12:17
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Ravindra gone second ball, with me suspecting his world cup form may drop off once out of the hype, not saying he has confirmed that yet, but it was a terrible way to defend the ball.

 

Oh flap, Nicholls gone first ball, what is he doing at #3? NZ disrespecting Bang capability. 

 

I said Shoriful will be a handful in NZ conditions.

Blundell in at 5, what the heck, chapman 6, then 5 bowlers (Clarkson to be fair is a very good all rounder at domestic level).

 

What a shambles of a team, we pay our players plenty, too much for some, not being with family is the sacrifice you make if you choose to have them so young. If that is the reason they are all being rested.

 

Edit: Will Young and Latham steadying the ship with about 45 runs on their partnership, but the run rate will need to climb from 4rpo at some stage being only 46 overs due to the delayed start.


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  #3172738 17-Dec-2023 14:56
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Ben Sears named in the Bang t20 games. I think with so many (nearly all) our top ODI players rested this match he could have played in this to replace Lockie's pace.

Will Orourke was and odd one for me, just out of the blue if anything. Josh Clarkson was a good selection, I hope he gets a bat as hes destructive.

But surely we have better players than Henry Nicholls if we are trialling out players for our future......

 

Will Young was a good call and hes proving why, some classy straight drives which remind me of Guptill except along the carpet.


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  #3172745 17-Dec-2023 15:25
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Weather is turning this match into another crap-shoot.  I'd rather see Will O'Rourke get a run than Duffy at this point, but Duffy has the seniority and he seems to be next cab off the rank.  Clarkson over Neesham as well.

 

The one I'm most interested to see, aside from the return of Michael Bracewell and more opportunities for Ravindra to show his wares, is Dean Foxcroft.  He's looked to have plenty of ability in the Super Smash games I saw last season, and I thought his qualification for NZ selection was imminent.  It's hard to see how he wouldn't be an improvement over several of the players floating around the NZ short-format squads at the moment.


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  #3172749 17-Dec-2023 15:35
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Foxcroft is a given imo once he meets residency status. Clarkson has the X factor.

I look forward to seeing Sears in a black cap, well deserved for the young man, well relatively young compared to most of the BCs who at one point didnt have a player under 30yo.....

 

Sears and Ferguson in T20 the rest should just be guys like Ravindra, Phillips, Bracewell, Foxcroft, perhaps Santner. Guys who are top t20 batsmen but are excellent spin bowlers, which with pace off being the preference in t20 is the way to stack the middle order.

 

Finn allen
Conway (C)
Foxcroft
Mitchell
Ravindra
Phillips
Bracewell
Fletcher (WK)
Santner
Lockie
Sears

Edit: that was fresh listening to Rachin and GP, new found respect for Rachin, GP reminds me of Taz (devil), just a whirlwind of chaos.

also good listening to our new selector Sam explaining how it works, now it makes sense why we havnt had solid selections with Gary having the last word. But this guy is a lawyer and his role is essentially to expand Steads thinking. I think being a younger man and a lawyer, he will go well in the scouting/selecting role. 

Edit: 30ov game provided no more rain. clearly not so good for NZ, but 10ov out they should be looking for 10rpo from here with 8 wickets in hand. Id move Blundell down the order being the plodder he is, need some big hitting coming in to get the RPO up. 


 
 
 

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  #3172763 17-Dec-2023 16:34
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TeaLeaf:

 

Finn allen
Conway (C)
Foxcroft
Mitchell
Ravindra
Phillips
Bracewell
Fletcher (WK)
Santner
Lockie
Sears

Edit:

also good listening to our new selector Sam explaining how it works, now it makes sense why we havnt had solid selections with Gary having the last word. But this guy is a lawyer and his role is essentially to expand Steads thinking. I think being a younger man and a lawyer, he will go well in the scouting/selecting role. 
 

 

 

As you will know from previous comments, international T20 cricket is my least favourite format by some distance.  Think it should be left to the professional leagues now, although I'm sure cash-strapped Boards like NZ's probably see it as a vital money-spinner.

However, this is a side I'd like to see get a crack if we're naming possible teams ...

 

Mitchell
Siefert (wk)
Conway
Foxcroft
Ravindra
Phillips
Clarkson
Bracewell
Jamieson
Ferguson
Sears

Most interesting comment was that of Shane Bond around the relative strength of your batting and bowling line-ups, and his suggestion that you pack the batting if your bowling is potentially weaker.  I do agree with him that our pace bowling is not particularly strong at present.  Wells seemed to back that up with his comment that some of the new faces will soon become compelling picks to replace the older guard.

 


One final comment about Waipawa Butchery, that was just mentioned on the commentary as a sponsor on Young's bat.  I was born in Waipawa many years ago, and my very first paid job was working at Waipawa Butchery in High Street for two weeks washing down metal dixies and falling on my arse regularly in gumboots that were several sizes too big for me.

Took my earnings across the street and paid the last installment on a Hornby train set I'd had on lay-by for a couple of months.  Still have that train set.  Need to find a place for Young in my side above for that reason alone.  They do do an awesome glazed ham there.  :)


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  #3172767 17-Dec-2023 16:44
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Bond was saying you can make up for the lack of bowling by stacking a side with batsmen/part timer bowlers. He was saying that was the case for his team Mumbai recently, should not have got close but due to consistently scoring circa 200 they were in the mix. Im of the same theory, where possible go for bastmen known as boundary scorers and do not pick bowlers who cant bat where possible. For me only real wicket taking seamers should be used.

 

Well done Latham 92 at about 8rpo, makes me think hes a good white ball option in NZ.

 

Now Chapman is letting loose. Will Young still going. Clarkson has to be in next.

 

edit: we on for 240 here. after 5-2 I was looking at this team wondering where the bulk of the runs will come. well dont to Tommy and Will Young.


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  #3172768 17-Dec-2023 17:01
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Will Young sends a "please explain?" to the selectors with a fabulous century full of boundaries, the back bone of this amazing recovery.

 

Edit: Shame to not see him NO at the end. I hate when bowlers bowl a wide and the batsman reaches for it and gets out.

Blundell, two hits and gone, we need a new WK that matches the style of our new middle order. Why they put blundell in ahead of Milne, with only 4 balls to go is beyond me.

 

Then Milne just blindly runs a stupid second running poor Clarkson out in his first NZ Rep game. Grrrrr.


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  #3172769 17-Dec-2023 17:07
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TeaLeaf:

Will Young sends a "please explain?" to the selectors with a fabulous century full of boundaries, the back bone of this amazing recovery.


Edit: Shame to not see him NO at the end. I hate when bowlers bowl a wide and the batsman reaches for it and gets out.

Blundell, two hits and gone, we need a new WK that matches the style of our new middle order. Why they put blundell in ahead of Milne, with only 4 balls to go is beyond me.



Yes exactly. Should have never been dropped for the ODI World Cup. He was in great form before the WC. What could have been if he was still in the playing 11

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  #3172771 17-Dec-2023 17:15
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Dochart: 

Yes exactly. Should have never been dropped for the ODI World Cup. He was in great form before the WC. What could have been if he was still in the playing 11

 

It was only meant to be the one game for Ravindra but he scored that 90 in the warm up game, I guess they didnt know where they could fit him. Personally I think with Rachin and GP being pt bowlers (although GP is better than that), it made room to drop a bowler and play the extra batsman, which is what I hope they do, going forward.

 

NZ through away 4 wickets, had they not the DWS total would be much higher. Still 245 is going to be hard, if was just twenty overs Id give them a chance, but NZ gets 3 wickets they tend to collapse.


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  #3172772 17-Dec-2023 17:18
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Yeah, I'd pick Young over a newer guy like Allen every time at this point in their careers. He always seems to be in the runs and and is a relatively (to Allen) consistent contributor.  Shows you how much this is a mental game at the top level, the overs get reduced and guys like Latham and Young can suddenly belt it to all parts at will.

 

Bit of an anticlimax in the last over, you'd have expected better than three poles from where they were at.

 

Looking forward to seeing what the new pacers can do with it guaranteed they are going to be under the pump in a shorter length run chase.


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  #3172775 17-Dec-2023 17:35
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thermonuclear:

 

Bit of an anticlimax in the last over, you'd have expected better than three poles from where they were at.

 

 

Really stupid running between the wickets.

 

What is Duffy doing in the team, too slow not furious lol. again Ben Sears could have been tested in the longer format with Will Orourke. 

 

I allso think Wagner is a crafty white ball bowler, good swing. I think he deserved more exposure in white ball to the white ball leagues.

 

Oh Blunders, why did you run the fielder of that catch, in the end he doesnt even get to the catch. Im not a fan at all.


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  #3172794 17-Dec-2023 18:13
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TeaLeaf:

 

Oh Blunders, why did you run the fielder of that catch, in the end he doesnt even get to the catch. Im not a fan at all.

 

 

 

 

Knew you'd enjoy that, Blundell is still my test keeper but shouldn't be in the frame for this side.  Would have been a good chance to give Fletcher a run in this series if Latham didn't want to do it.

 

Clarkson looks handy with the ball today.


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