M Guptill, isnt he laughing now at T20 cricket :-)

Forums › Sports › M Guptill, isnt he laughing now at T20 cricket :-)

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1522924 30-Mar-2016 19:32

Jase2985:

TeaLeaf:

Yes Jase but I just have a hunch some of the selectors are GeekZone members :-)

All Im saying is if we cant score 180+ we will not win this tournament. You guys tell me who is going to score those runs? SA did it and lost to Eng with 200+, Aus lost to Ind.

Lol and im quoting this because im going to bring this out and rub it in your face :)

There were 6 games over 180 in the warm-ups, out of 30 innings, so 20%

There were 10 matches over 180 in the group stages (counts qualifying group) out of 62 matches which is 16.2%

So out of the Semi finals and finals you are statistically only likely to see one innings over 180 :) cant argue with stats, though i think you will try

Well we only played lower teams, such as Australia, India the favourites and Pakistan, so we shoulda got at least 180 against that lot.

Santner is a batsman, but at the end of the batting lineup, so we drop him as his bowling isn't that good anyway.

And if we drop all batsman that aren't 150RR each match too.

End of troll

For me, Taylor needs to go, he's been trying to hit form for the last two years, its like the Warriors giving us a taste then we let him off, them he gets a score.

ENG has scored the most runs so far. They have a good lineup. They however haven't played the quality of teams we have.

NZ has had the least runs scored against us, and against strong teams.

However, T 20 is fickle. Its about the balance between no fear, and brains. About handling a bad patch.

Our aim I assume is that w are the best fielding side, that costs the opponents runs. We are blowing great, that helps the opponents think twice before swinging the bat. If we bowl and field hard, we can win. I want us to field first, keeps bowlers and fielders fresh, and batsmen warmed up.

Ill be up at 2-30

TeaLeaf

6437 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1243

#1522932 30-Mar-2016 20:10

We played one strong team, Ind, who we are #2 too, the others are much lower ranked. again santner took 1 wicket and scored 2 runs against BANGLADESH.

ive never heard of instant form based off 3 performances against 1 good team and lower level teams.

im not going to argue it any further. we need all rounders who are consistent in runs and the occassional wicket. 1 wicket and 2 runs against is not going to get us to 180+ against players who will rip that apart.

Jase2985

13735 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 6217

ID Verified

Lifetime subscriber

#1522933 30-Mar-2016 20:17

all rounders should never have to bat, thats a failing of the specialist batters thats what you should be worrying about

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1522934 30-Mar-2016 20:24

You should get your magic 180 tonight. because Delhi is a batters track. I still don't get why we need 180 on every track, but I think the players and coaches know best.

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1522937 30-Mar-2016 20:27

Jase2985:

all rounders should never have to bat, thats a failing of the specialist batters thats what you should be worrying about

Yep. Saunter is an allrounder, but in reality, he's a bowler, that can bat, ist a tail ender. he is not close to the specialist batsmen. They fail, and you ask all rounders to do everything, then they take risks they are not qualified to take. Id go against all that and put Taylor down the order or out. We can't afford to carry him. Murphy's Law says he will have his every now and then blinder!

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1523052 31-Mar-2016 03:44

Get rid of Taylor. Wasting our score again

HP

Shop now for HP laptops and other devices (affiliate link).

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1523053 31-Mar-2016 04:07

Disappointing finish. With only four specialist batsmen, we needed one to get a big score or two to get a very solid score.

ENG should easily win based on their long batting line up. Dew may come on which will help, we have better bowlers, and better fielders. Need early luck to make a game of it. We weren't good enough, first innings, its that simple, no excuses.

Batman

Mad Scientist
30014 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 6217

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1523060 31-Mar-2016 06:51

tdgeek:
Get rid of Taylor. Wasting our score again

Too late. It's over.

floydbloke

3648 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4555

ID Verified

#1523062 31-Mar-2016 07:19

joker97:
tdgeek:

Get rid of Taylor. Wasting our score again

Too late. It's over.

Yep. Totally outplayed. Well done England.

Fair bit of discussion here about various players' forms. Personally I'm surprised Ronchi continuous to get selected.

Sometimes I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1523074 31-Mar-2016 08:03

floydbloke:

joker97:
tdgeek:

Get rid of Taylor. Wasting our score again

Too late. It's over.

Yep. Totally outplayed. Well done England.

Fair bit of discussion here about various players' forms. Personally I'm surprised Ronchi continuous to get selected.

True, I have seen him win matches, but not for a while. Same for Taylor, he has been a liability for a long time. he is slow. He bats without confidence. he bats as though his place in the team is at stake, so he bats not to win, but not to lose a wicket, but he does that anyway

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1523075 31-Mar-2016 08:08

The right team won. Their bowling was very good, took the edge off our four specialist batsmen, who played fine given the good bowling. Guppy went out, thats fine, it happens. Munro and Anderson looked likely but fell to better bowlers. The whole middle order from Taylor down failed. That tells me its due to the bowlers than the batmen, their bowlers were too good.

When we bowled, our pacemen were bowling to a team that preferred pace, and the lack of pressure on them, and the pressure on our bowlers, and the length of their lineup, meant two or three early wickets or game over.

We were in it, at a predicted score that got to 197, and even that on this pace friendly small ground was not much above par, but beaten by a better team. On a batting pitch they had better batters and more of them.

Zero excuses from our side. We didnt play bad and lose, they played better and won

AliExpress

Shop now on AliExpress (affiliate link).

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1523140 31-Mar-2016 09:51

UK Press

The Daily Mail joined the party, seemingly amazed that "England, the laughing stock of the international game as recently as a year ago, are in the final after pulverising New Zealand on a heady night in Delhi".

"This was less of a win, more of a walloping," wrote Lawrence Booth."

Talk is cheap, I guess they can lap it up. They won, they played well, they deserved to win. But a walloping? Any team that has one batter get a great score wins, thats T20. They were on an "accidental" run of three matches on batting pitches and they won last night on another. They love pace, they cant play spin (we got the three wickets using spin, on a batting pitch) The UK press needs to take stock I think

TeaLeaf

6437 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1243

#1523250 31-Mar-2016 11:38

"I told you so" jks ;-p.

You are right about Santner, hes an average bowler who can bat a bit. I think his batting has been pumped up a bit more than is there. His bowling, well hes only going to play for us on dead spin wickets (if he plays again maybe will be touring Ind etc). He bowled a pie on average per over during our summer. Needs to learn to get the ball above the eye line of the batsman, with very little spin thats why Vettori was so good, he chucked it UP, let it drift and flop suddenly. Yes he will get smacked for 6 often doing it by all rounders, but he will take a lot more wickets when they miss and real batsman will respect him. His problem during the summer was low flat fast half trackers.

See how many runs Anderson scored, thats an all rounder, but see how few wickets hes taking as of late. Id like to see Mclenaghan and Milne be given more batting tuition, they showed real promise during the summer (until Mitch got fractured eye socket).

Id like to add the reason I was so critical, is we have to be if we are to not drop into the duldrums of cricket again. Living in Aus for so long, the big difference i saw there was expectation from their cricket team is like our expectation from our All Blacks from the public. Thats what demands success, not internally. The Warriors have this issue. Too many people say, your not a real fan for critiquing when they dont play well. My opinion is its every fans responsibility to do so. FANatical. We lost an Americas cup with an 8-0 lead 9-8 was it? The teams need to feel that public expectation. Or they just dont go that extra 10% you need.

We need that All Black FANatical expectation on all our teams, win or lose. B McCullum said it best, you have to be prepared to lose some to win a lot. (something to those words).

Personally I think the selectors got the team wrong from the get go and we had stuff all T20 batting to work with. You need minimum 1.5 SR. 180 is par score on MOST tracks. I think the bowling was about the best we could pick.

Taylors spot should have been taken by another Munro, and we should have had one more T20 specialist batsman to swap with an all rounder, either anderson or santner. ROnchi for the love of ..... drop him from All NZ cricket. He hasnt scored in a decade. Nothing personal, but hes retirement age or close enough anyway. Waste of 20-30 runs right there.

I think we at least did a bit better than Aus and didnt pick basically our test squad.

Lesson learnt.

If West Indies lose we will retain #2 in the world I think.

Overall Im pleased we knocked Aus out of the tournament and Munro showed what a T20 specialist can do with a bat, as did Guppie.

Fate plays a big role in Tourns, Id much rather have face WI or Ind in the semis and had one of them some how (not likely) knock Eng out.

NZ #1 in Union, #1 in League, #2 in ODI and T20 cricket, #2 in Netball? A darn handy NBL team. Some of the best Sailors in the world. I think considering all in all we have to be the #1 sporting team per capita in the Commonwealth Sports, possibly the world?

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1523281 31-Mar-2016 12:17

TeaLeaf:

"I told you so" jks ;-p.

??? You didnt tell us so anything. 180+ was par, I alreday said that befiore the matcgh as that track. Santnert bowled well, beating pace bowklers on what is a pace track. We didnt get 150RR for everybody, so why was that?

You are right about Santner, hes an average bowler who can bat a bit. Hes a good a spin bowler who can bat a bit I think his batting has been pumped up a bit more than is there. I dont recall anyone here pumpmg up his batting His bowling, well hes only going to play for us on dead spin wickets (if he plays again maybe will be touring Ind etc). He bowled a pie on average per over during our summer. Needs to learn to get the ball above the eye line of the batsman, with very little spin thats why Vettori was so good, he chucked it UP, let it drift and flop suddenly. Yes he will get smacked for 6 often doing it by all rounders, but he will take a lot more wickets when they miss and real batsman will respect him. BTW he is the top bowler in Super 10 T20 WC so hes pretty good as a spinner on spin wickets, which is the obvious place you play spinners, aside from throwing in a variation His problem during the summer was low flat fast half trackers.

See how many runs Anderson scored, ? he had a good day. Guppy had a bad day, that all happens. You seem to expect each player to score their average career runs per innings on every innings thats an all rounder, but see how few wickets hes taking as of late. Id like to see Mclenaghan and Milne be given more batting tuition, they showed real promise during the summer (until Mitch got fractured eye socket).

Id like to add the reason I was so critical, is we have to be if we are to not drop into the duldrums of cricket again. Living in Aus for so long, the big difference is there expectation from their cricket team is like our expectation from our All Blacks. Thats what demands success, not internally. The Warriors have this issue. Too many people say, your not a real fan for critiquing when they dont play well. My opinion is its every fans responsibility to do so. FANatical. We lost an Americas cup with an 8-0 lead 9-8 was it? The teams need to feel that public expectation. Or they just dont go that extra 10% you need.

We need that All Black FANatical expectation on all our teams, win or lose. B McCullum said it best, you have to be prepared to lose some to win a lot. (something to those words).

Personally I think the selectors got the team wrong from the get go and we had stuff all T20 batting to work with. You need minimum 1.5 SR. 180 is par score on MOST tracks. I think the bowling was about the best we could pick. Thats all rubbish. They chose the best team we had end of story, you cannot compare your critisicms of many many factors and players to be correct. No, we cannot be the All Blacks of cricket as we are not good enough. We dont have many players nor take it that seriosul;y as rugby, so by sheer weight of num,bers we are what we are. A mid rank team that has ebbs and flows and that can beat anyone on any day, but not most days Taylors spot should have been taken by another Munro, TAYLOR is a liability and has been since he was dropped as Capt, he wastes a spot, he is not now a specalist batsman, he is a liability and we should have had one more T20 specialist batsman to swap with an all rounder, either anderson or santner. ROnchi for the love of ..... drop him from All NZ cricket. He hasnt scored in a decade. Nothing personal, but hes retirement age or close enough anyway. Waste of 20-30 runs right there. Same reason re my comment on Taylor. We pick Taylor by default, he was great but hes not anymore, by a long way

I think we at least did a bit better than Aus and didnt pick basically our test squad.

We did better than Aus and we picked our best team, I trust the selectors and coaches and capt over you i am afraid. We played good last night. Beaten by better and more batmen and better bowling by a team that was on a track that they know and prefer.

Lesson learnt.

If West Indies lose we will retain #2 in the world I think.

Overall Im pleased we knocked Aus out of the tournament and Munro showed what a T20 specialist can do with a bat, as did Guppie. I think we all know what a T20 specialist can do with a bat. I have no idea why you make that comment. Batsmen dont grow on trees. And we have only four specialist batsmen

Fate plays a big role in Tourns, Id much rather have face WI or Ind in the semis and had one of them some how (not likely) knock Eng out. Id rather face ENG on the typical Indian tracks that we sent the team over for, rather than a team get favoured to play on three pace tracks that suit them

NZ #1 in Union, #1 in League, #2 in ODI and T20 cricket, #2 in Netball? A darn handy NBL team. Some of the best Sailors in the world. I think considering all in all we have to be the #1 sporting team per capita in the Commonwealth Sports, possibly the world?

That we agree, we punch above our weight

TeaLeaf

6437 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1243

#1523282 31-Mar-2016 12:20

We can do even better :-)

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8