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#2176129 10-Feb-2019 23:32

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Southee saves it, Munro motm. Close, well done India.

Surely not

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#2176132 10-Feb-2019 23:43

Id have chosen Mitchell, 2 big wickets, great catch, quick fire 19 from 11, a top all round performance. Munro is the star batsman, all he did was get 25 runs more than what he should be doing every week

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#2177230 12-Feb-2019 17:11

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Id have chosen Mitchell, 2 big wickets, great catch, quick fire 19 from 11, a top all round performance. Munro is the star batsman, all he did was get 25 runs more than what he should be doing every week

You cant be hating on Munro just for the sake of being a hater. He had a brilliant innings and people make their own luck. Mitchell had a good game, not enough to be motm though. But on the bowling. By far the new guys were the best bowlers, Mithcell best bowler but Scott K was only 9.25 RPO and got a wicket, but for me, the energy Tickner showed, I think he could be in the ODI and potentially test squad, 1 wicket and 8.5 rpo. mitchell 2 wicket and 9 rpo.

All of them bowling with fire, Scott K got over 150 and Tickner from such a short run up in mid to high 140s is awesome, means he will have few injuries with his run up and keeping head up and back straight, plus hes always smiling and it it for the fight but with a good attitide, none of this Aussie win at all cost including cheating. Hes more like win it but have a joke with opposition and smile.

So I feel over all considering we were trialling our lesser players in the odis and new players in the t20s, to humilitate them in that ODI and then the first t20, we did pretty darn good. If it was not a WC year and we had played only our 1st 11 I think we could have won both series.

Seifert for me definitely showed the value of taking a real Wicket Keeper to the world cup, especially one that could fit in lower down the order for the final 10 overs which is where id put Munro, Munro, Neesham, Seifert. I think its a mistake not playing seifert in the ODIs and listing him as a t20 only player. Mccullum was very similar until he went up the line and dropped the gloves. Keeping you need someone high energy like Seifert, someone who will stand up to the stumps keeping the batsmen in their crease so the med pace bowlers can be bowl to a cenrtain length.

I feel Nicholls is much like Munro in the sense of consistency, but doesnt score fast either, we have too many Test like players in our ODI squad. This is his odi average over last 11 matches. Since 19 Jan 2018 Nicholls scoring has been VERY lean at a very poor SR. AVG: 18 at SR: 70. Thats 17 matches and includes his only score above 50 which was 124no. Its clear to me the selectors are targetting the wrong people and ignoring long stretches in between innings. Not only this we are not selecting the right people for ODIs vs Test. Nicholls is not an ODI player. His sport could easily be filled by somebody like Munro, Neesham or Seifert, prefarably all three, giving us a solid base to score t20 mode in the final 15. If NZ could be 175-2 after 35 overs, I think with this team we could easily be 385 after 50. And adjust accordingly to wicket lost. But we have enough test like players to score 5rpo for 35 overs, put Tom up the top and put Munro in a position he has a free license on a soft ball that isnt moving off the seam (a soft ball). 4 specialist wicket taking bowlers and a very good Batsman all rounder, with Munro to be used as has a very good rpo avg as does williamson.

Guptill, Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Munro, Neesham, Seifert, Southee, Ferguson, Sodhi Boult. (Santner, Colin D, Matt Henry, Daryl Mitchell due to taking his chances on offer)

Nicholls since Eng tour of NZ 2018 and 1 game prior vs Pak 19/01/2018. Its just too many 0s or starts in between a fifty here and a single 100.

1 33.33 0 0.00 1 33.33 0 0.00 13* 108.33 55 67.90 0 0.00 33 52.38 15* 75.00 15 125.00 32 84.21 124* 155.00 12 70.58 28 73.68 6 75.00 30* 71.42 8 53.33 AVG: 18.00 AVG: SR 70.33

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#2177232 12-Feb-2019 17:16

I done hate Munro ok)

I hate that he turns up only every couple of months. We can’t afford that

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#2177235 12-Feb-2019 17:21

tdgeek: I done hate Munro ok)

I hate that he turns up only every couple of months. We can’t afford that

I think thats been Stead and his unrealistic expectations. I think we need reverse engineer it and have our ODI/T20 players at the backend and have our front 4 score 5 runs an over for 35 overs and then hit 14RPO for 15 overs which is very doable. Even 10 overs. Not 10 overs at the start of an innings and see 5 wickets fall. 5 wickets at 10 runs an over for 10 overs is ok if its the last 10 overs, worst case.

I feel Nichols turns up even less often and doesnt bat like an ODI batsman, he is getting more Test player like as he goes on. We have to pick players for certain styles and I feel Nicholls makes a good test player but a poor player in white ball cricket.

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#2177238 12-Feb-2019 17:29

Not a bad idea. Kiwis in sport go well when it’s goibg well but we choke under pressure

Munro is not the best batsman by a long wAy so why are put him up against the best bowlers and a new ball?

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#2177242 12-Feb-2019 17:38

Munro struggling as well, similar time frames to Nicholls. But AVG is higher as his is SR obviously, but he has the talent to be AVG: 40 and SR:125+. But he needs to be the second phase our innings, come on in the final 15, not this stupid idea Stead still has from the Mccullum glory years of scoring 10+ RPO and losing all our wickets in the first 10. Let the players who can play ODI but have high technical skill see off the new ball and bat to 35 overs at an easy 5RPO then let the modern hitters at the soft ball for the final 15 or so and score 10 at worst, hopefully 14+ RPO.

Similar time frame as Nichols, Pak then Eng 2018 tour nz.

56 133.33 34 141.66 6 150.00 1 25.00 49 79.03 0 0.00 0 0.00 29 107.40 13 130.00 0 0.00 13 92.85 87 112.98 21 150.00 8 88.88 31 75.60 7 77.77 24 126.31 AVG:20.5 SR 106.5

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#2177256 12-Feb-2019 17:46

tdgeek: Not a bad idea. Kiwis in sport go well when it’s goibg well but we choke under pressure

Munro is not the best batsman by a long wAy so why are put him up against the best bowlers and a new ball?

No argument, I think its ludicrous, which kind of shows how good Guptill is to be able to score freely against a moving ball. But heas a freak and has better technical skills.

I think Munro at 5 would make the start of our final 15 over charge brilliant for NZ when the ball is soft and NOT moving around. Instead of being 10 overs and 5 wickets down. 35 over 2 down, we could hit 10-16rpo off the final 10-15 with much less pressure as we have runs on the board already.

Its Stead who needs convincing, I think he still thinks Mccullum opens for NZ.

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#2177258 12-Feb-2019 17:57

I just went to look at Ross Taylors stats since that Pak/Eng tour of NZ last year, WOW. Its littered with 3 centuries, one was 181, 3 90s, 4 other 50s and very few scores below 40. Now I can see where we have been getting our runs.

Guptils career on the other hand is littered with centuries and big ones at that like the 234.

Definitely our 2 best ODI batsmen with Williamson not far behind, being more of a test player hes adapting nicely as thats where the money is, white ball cricket.

I hope Guptill is over the injury and we get to see him play a game at home this year. Its not the same without him. When him and Ross Taylor retire, oh man NZ cricket, I can see a Fleming type era occuring. Or post early 90s when Hadlee, Crowe etc all the greats from the late 80s retired.

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#2177274 12-Feb-2019 18:12

There was a feature on Taylor a while back. He has eye issues. He was good but not great. Since then he is amazing but I never hear of the eye op in commentary

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#2177276 12-Feb-2019 18:13

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#2177735 13-Feb-2019 16:02

Yea Taylors eye I believe were done about 4 years ago. If someone can find out. I can produce the averages etc since his eyes got done. Officially it was done late 2016 and he joined the team in 2017 so I will find his first game back.

Poor Santner, wicket then pasted for 11 haha. I personally think he has to be used well before the 35 overs as hes not a hard player to slog by changing his length (charging).

Fergusson has been good and the least runs but hes looked out of control.. In the UAE he had Pak on the back foot with deadly bouncers then yorkers. One over he went from 3.68 to 4.5, not hard to do when you bowling wides, hes much much much better than that. hard to know whats causing the accuracy issue.

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#2177738 13-Feb-2019 16:04

Taylor 109 first game back after surgery 5th Feb 2018

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#2177742 13-Feb-2019 16:09

It wasn't crisis point yet, and Taylor still saw the red Kookaburra well enough in Hamilton to score 102 not out against Pakistan, and notch his 16th test century in December 2016. But he'd had enough, and surgery was booked to remove the pesky pterygium.

So, soon after Dec 2016. Update, tweeted Nov 30 2016 he was off to get it fixed

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#2177743 13-Feb-2019 16:11

TeaLeaf:

Taylor 109 first game back after surgery 5th Feb 2018

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/87173825/oneeyed-ross-taylor-shares-heinous-postoperation-photo-ahead-of-chappellhadlee-opener

I know he got a ton the game before the op

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