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#2736150 29-Jun-2021 07:26

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I agree 100%, but as a Mercedes fan feel very sorry for Bottas who really has done an an amazing job over the years. The problem for Bottas is that F1 is a brutal heartless sport where nice guys aren't always the winners.

I would love to know what other driving Russell may have done/be doing incl simulator driving for Mercedes and the sort of results he is getting.

Yep, Bottas is an excellent driver. He went through a stage, maybe start of last season by really focusing. But as usual, he cant compete against the No. 1 Driver status. Reminds me of Webber, "not bad for a No.2 driver eh" Its a Constructors sport so I guess that's the way it is. re Russells sim time, no idea but I imagine so. When he took Lewis's seat, he drove it like Lewis, you would not know. He gets more out of the car than anyone he's been teamed with in F1. While none of that relates to a full season in the main team, IMHO he will be fast and consistent. Driver wise, F1 is ina really good place

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#2736156 29-Jun-2021 07:54

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Yep, Bottas is an excellent driver. He went through a stage, maybe start of last season by really focusing. But as usual, he cant compete against the No. 1 Driver status. Reminds me of Webber, "not bad for a No.2 driver eh" Its a Constructors sport so I guess that's the way it is. re Russells sim time, no idea but I imagine so. When he took Lewis's seat, he drove it like Lewis, you would not know. He gets more out of the car than anyone he's been teamed with in F1. While none of that relates to a full season in the main team, IMHO he will be fast and consistent. Driver wise, F1 is ina really good place

Yip the fact he stepped straight into the Mercedes last year and drove like he did either showed somebody with truly limitless talent, or somebody who had already spent a lot of time understanding the dynamics of that car - and I think it probably was a combination of both.

I'd love to see Paul Di Resta get a drive in a modern competitive car, even if it was just one race as a reserve driver. IMHO he was somebody who never got to really show his talent.

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#2736190 29-Jun-2021 08:49

Same here I really like his driver technical insights

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#2736191 29-Jun-2021 08:59

IDK I feel like Sutil had the upper hand in the Force India during their time together.

I still feel like Alex Wurz deserved more than a few seasons in a crappy Benetton and then years in the wilderness as a McLaren test driver during what should have been the prime of his career.

The less said about Hartley the better. I think he would have shone in the days of unlimited testing and being able to pound around a track for days at a time. But he probably would have done a lot better without the shitty STR politics either.

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#2736205 29-Jun-2021 09:25

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I'd love to see Paul Di Resta get a drive in a modern competitive car, even if it was just one race as a reserve driver. IMHO he was somebody who never got to really show his talent.

these cars are so complex - you literally have to fiddle with 10 knobs every 2 corners (Lewis gave a demonstration in his Merc a few years back) to get the maximum, that's if you got the set up right in the first place.

Danny Ric absolutely got beat by his new car. Alonso was terrible in the first 2 races and now is way faster than his teammate.

Vettel got beat by Ferrari (engineers > car i think!), and seems to use the Aston Martin a bit better.

so it's not easy to judge who is a "good driver" on pure speed. it's how you can learn the car and how much you can fiddle over a lap, x 70.

so I have no idea who is a good driver. I think Max is. I think Lewis is too. the rest I don't know/not able to judge. Lando seems ok last race.

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#2736211 29-Jun-2021 09:54

No. You evaluate based on what you see over time. Its quite clear who are the top drivers.

"I think Max is. I think Lewis is too" LOL, best quote of the day... Ive heard the odd rumour that those two are quite acceptable. Lando? he has been "ok" many if not all races.

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#2736270 29-Jun-2021 12:30

Just going take a second to talk about the F1 YouTube coverage this year.
All in Full HD, all free and up very quickly.

It's pretty epic, and includes pre and post event content as well:

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#2739306 5-Jul-2021 20:20

Good race, dominant win. A few other fun battles. Three forcing car off track penalties, but commentators don't see it that way, they want them to race. Thats the whole point about those penalties. The rule does work, and those three penalties were correct.

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#2739734 6-Jul-2021 14:56

One of those old “I might get ahead here if I put my car in a totally stupid position and then claim they didn’t leave me any room” situations.

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#2739738 6-Jul-2021 15:17

Jaxson: One of those old “I might get ahead here if I put my car in a totally stupid position and then claim they didn’t leave me any room” situations.

Depends how you look at it. I'm behind you, I can use the track to drive up beside you, the rule says you leave me room, you don't push me off the track. We are supposed to race, thats what the fans and commentators want, let me race you, don't push me off. If you are scared of me, take a wider line so I cant try to overtake on the outside, I might then try to overtake on the inside, not as easy though, but we are racing.

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#2739759 6-Jul-2021 15:36

Looks like the Aussie GP is all but off again 😞

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/300350784/formula-one-australian-grand-prix-set-to-be-called-off-again-due-to-covid19

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews all but confirmed its cancellation, saying running such large events is "very challenging" given Australia's low vaccination rate and international travel restrictions.

"When you've halved the number of people coming into the country when you've got 10 per cent of people vaccinated when you want and need 70 or 80 per cent to have had the jab, we're not at that point," Andrews said on Tuesday morning.

Yet on the weekend, there was 100,000 watching the Austrian GP

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#2739762 6-Jul-2021 15:37

Maybe the Austrians have some antibodies from covid exposure

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#2739814 6-Jul-2021 16:33

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"When you've halved the number of people coming into the country when you've got 10 per cent of people vaccinated when you want and need 70 or 80 per cent to have had the jab, we're not at that point," Andrews said on Tuesday morning.

Sounds exactly like NZ to be honest.

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#2739818 6-Jul-2021 16:40

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Depends how you look at it. I'm behind you, I can use the track to drive up beside you, the rule says you leave me room, you don't push me off the track.

Totally get that perspective, just think physics comes into play once you're committed to a particular line.

If someone then tries to send it around the outside, there's not much you can honestly to at that point.

As a driver you need to consider self preservation too, you can't finish if you don't make the finish line, so trying to pass on the outside (where momentum is carrying the other car) and where you have no sealed run off area if you need to use it, well that's just highly risky.

Same can be said for those turning in sharply on a corner to cover the inside line, hoping the other car won't lock up and plough straight on into you. Turn 1 at Spa-Francorchamps springs to mind. There are some risks where the chance of failure is just really high.

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#2740204 6-Jul-2021 23:39

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tdgeek:

Depends how you look at it. I'm behind you, I can use the track to drive up beside you, the rule says you leave me room, you don't push me off the track.

Totally get that perspective, just think physics comes into play once you're committed to a particular line.

If someone then tries to send it around the outside, there's not much you can honestly to at that point.

As a driver you need to consider self preservation too, you can't finish if you don't make the finish line, so trying to pass on the outside (where momentum is carrying the other car) and where you have no sealed run off area if you need to use it, well that's just highly risky.

Same can be said for those turning in sharply on a corner to cover the inside line, hoping the other car won't lock up and plough straight on into you. Turn 1 at Spa-Francorchamps springs to mind. There are some risks where the chance of failure is just really high.

Fair points. Take the blocking rule, you can only defend your line once then the other car has a passing lane. The guy being passed was passed on merit, whether that be his skill, his car, his tyre wear etc. Same for a corner. The guy in front can still block, once. Then if the outside is clear and you go on the outside, invariably carrying more speed you should be allowed to pass, be left room, like the example in the straight. If free blocking/pushing cars off the track was allowed, passing opportunities will be limited, but the sport wants more passing. Yes its risky if you pass on the outside where there is gravel, same if on the inside you risk understeering into the outside car. Its a risk but you generally see the top end drivers manage it as they want to finish, and try to avoid damage, a crash or a penalty. Paul DR etc said those three incidents were racing incidents, let them race, but what that encourages is less passing, and giving the slow car an advantage. If the slow car is slow, lower skill, less tyres, tough bikkies, the guy behind has done better with those factors. Both cars can go two wide on the bend, whoever does better will be in front, thats racing. If you don't want to be passed on the outside line, then take the outside line, make him go low.

I guess the issue is what is defending and what is pushing a car off the track. I think the rule used to be if you are in front you have right of way. IIRC all three, the challenging car was in front at some point in the bend, but now I think the rule is you have to leave room. Im not sure what the criteria is to have to leave room though. The other car in front or side by side, or overlapping his front end wth your rear end?

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