Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2471001 25-Apr-2020 13:45

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There are a group of people (not just those in padded cells) who believe every word out of the oompa loompa's mouth is the truth. Therefore they'll try any of his medical suggestions.

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#2471028 25-Apr-2020 14:14

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I thought long and hard before I decided whether to make a comment in this echo chamber. But here goes....

With the latest furore over “injecting yourself with disinfectant” I decided to watch the whole press conference that produced this claim.

It was a rambling affair due mainly to Trump’s input and where the assembled press corps took it with their questions. But the genesis of the latest ‘outrage’ was an expert reporting on what effect sunlight/uv and disinfectants such as bleach or alcohol had specifically on the covid19 virus in saliva on a non permeable surface (such as stainless steel). The purpose of the research was to determine the best ways to reduce community transmission. The results showed both had an impact on the half life of the virus. So far, so good.

After several press questions to the expert, I can only assume that Mr Trump’s ego got the better of him and needed the spotlight shifted back to him because he then asked the expert if uv or the disinfectant could be used to attack the virus in people suffering from covid19? (paraphrasing). And that maybe he could talk to some medical doctors about it. He had prefaced the question with a comment about “knowing a lot of people would be thinking it, so I’ll ask it.” I can pretty much guarantee he was the only person in the room “thinking it”. And where just about everybody else, that may have thought it in similar circumstances, would have kept it to themselves and maybe made a mental note to ask about it in private afterwards, that would remove the possibility of a “I came up with an idea that saved the world” moment. Instead it just showed he hadn’t really understood the significance of the briefing (IMO) and brought to mind the saying “Better to remain silent and appear stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”. But the need to prove you are the smartest guy in the room and the one in charge overrules that.

But how it goes from that to “Trump suggests injecting disinfectant” is really what is wrong with the reporting in the US, and by extension picked up by international media. So keen for a ‘gotcha!’ moment context becomes irrelevant. Firstly, Barrack Obama would have been way to smart to actually say something like that in public, but if he had, it probably would have been reported as “President requests research into uv and disinfectant treatment in an effort to save lives”.

Of more interest from the press conference, and something that wasn’t even noted in any reports I saw, was Trump’s hesitation when he was asked if he had been in touch with Kim Jong-Un. And a clue as to how the presidential campaign is going to be run by referring to “a confused old man hiding in his basement” as his (presumptive) opponent.

I didn’t note a “sarcastic” tone when he asked his disinfectant question, and all the later statement appears to do is show he realises it was a dumb question but can’t admit he was wr........

Edit: correct N.Korean leader’s name

“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996

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#2471070 25-Apr-2020 14:16

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"There's no way like the American Way"

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#2471092 25-Apr-2020 14:48

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Dear Donald,

If you really want to eliminate a virus, you should spend some time staring at the sun, which is known for its disinfecting properties. Even better, have Melania squirt some bleach up your arse. I'm sure she would be glad to oblige.

And if that doesn't work, just loop your generous tie over a handy branch and step off a chair. Great virus removal properties!

(Don't worry, just being sarcastic.)

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#2471101 25-Apr-2020 14:57

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Rikkitic:

White House sycophants have got to grow some and stop deferring to Trump. His incompetence and stupidity are costing lives. At some point even arse-kissing Republicans have to say 'enough' and invoke the 25th Amendment. It is there for a reason. Trump is a madman. He is incapable of distinguishing reality from fantasy. He instructs his idolising followers to do dumb, dangerous things. He is demonstrably incapacitated.

Recent discoveries are revealing that the Corona 19 virus is even more dangerous than first realised, and there are possibly added dangers that have not yet emerged. We may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg. This thing could come back again and again, killing people of all ages in currently unsuspected ways. Trump is a clear and present danger to his country and the world. Those who know better have to quit biting their tongues and sitting in polite silence while he raves. The time for polite silence is over. If there is to be a post-virus America at all, the entire cabinet needs to stand up and frog-march this lunatic out of the room.

At this point America is in desperate need of a real leader. I don't think Pence fills that bill at all, but he would still be infinitely better than Trump. Unintelligent and ideology-driven as he is, he does seem to at least listen to advice and be willing to make pragmatic decisions. He might just be capable of keeping the country alive until the next election. Anything has to be better than the current train wreck. Trump is an imbecile. For the sake of us all, he has to go.

Interesting article here (Jan 9, 2017):

Some of Trump's top-most advisers have reportedly discussed invoking the 25th Amendment, which lets 14 people remove a sitting president from office. Here's how it works.

Trouble is that his Republican cabinet and VP Pence haven't got the guts to do it. He could be sitting in the corner with his knees drawn up and dribbling and they still would not do it. They would be crucified by the GOP public and the party in general and the Democrat's would certainly win the next election and quite probably BOTH houses of congress .

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2471103 25-Apr-2020 15:00

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If the last two weeks of rambling White House press conferences were not evidence of lack of lucidity... Then we have no chance of the cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment.

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#2471189 25-Apr-2020 16:35

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Rikkitic:
At this point America is in desperate need of a real leader. I don't think Pence fills that bill at all, but he would still be infinitely better than Trump. Unintelligent and ideology-driven as he is, he does seem to at least listen to advice and be willing to make pragmatic decisions.

I don't know about that. Pompeo is a firm believer in the rapture and Pence at least leans that way as well if not being another rapture Christian. So you'd get a leader who gets his advice from his imaginary friend and believes in an apocalyptic event in which all the deserving people who die will go to some sort of wonderful reward.

Do you really want him making the decisions during the pandemic?

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#2471206 25-Apr-2020 17:04

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Aren't we sinners supposed to get a thousand years of fun and games after the rapture? It might be worth it just to be rid of those holier than thou types.

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#2471213 25-Apr-2020 17:21

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Man Just Buying One Of Every Cleaning Product In Case Trump Announces It’s Coronavirus Cure.

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#2471238 25-Apr-2020 18:08

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Fox News: The Five' laughs off Trump's disinfectant comments

Jesse: The White House is blasting the media saying that they took the president out of context. It's over Trump’s comments about heat, light, and disinfectant. Here’s what he said.

Trump (talking to Dr Deborah Birx, Coronavirus Response Coordinator, to his side): So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous uhh of, whether it is ultraviolet or a really powerful light, and I think you said that has not been checked, but you’re going to test it. and I said, suppose you put the light inside the body that you can do through the skin or in some other way. And then I see the disinfectant, ...

cut out by Fox: or some other way, and you said you're going to test that too, sounds interesting. Right then I see the disinfectant

Fox cuts back in. Trump continues: ...knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way that we can do something like that? by injection inside or almost a cleaning, ...

cut out by Fox: and you see it gets inside the lungs, and it does a tremendous number inside the lungs so

Fox cuts back in. Trump continues: ...that would also be interesting to check. So that you don't have to use medical doctors. But it sounds, it sounds interesting to me

Jesse (mockingly):Here’s the president reacting to the media coverage saying he is not encouraging anyone to inject disinfectant.

Trump: I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen. Now, disinfectant for doing this may be on the hands would work. When they say that something will last three or four hours or six hours, but if the sun is out or they use disinfectant, it goes away in less than a minute.

Jesse (grinning tooth to tooth. Others four also giggling):Ha ha. All right, Greg. I watch this live as it came in. And to me I did not think he was being sarcastic. It looked like he was spitballing ideas to knock this thing out, What do you think?

Greg:There are a couple of ways to look at this. they are two things that don’t matter and one that does.

Was it off-the-cuff? Maybe, doesn’t matter.

(Scoffing, and shrugging) Was it sarcasm? Maybe, maybe not, does not matter.

What matters is that (mockingly) anyone actually believes that he was saying (laughing) you should inject Clorox [bleach] into people, I mean, 1,000 days with Trump as president and we still have an entire industry mobilized by an offhand comment.

How can any adult believe, seriously believe, that he was saying, (mockingly) "hey, people should inject Clorox [bleach] into their body"? (laughing)

I mean, I get wanting to believe that, because you have a pre-existing condition to believe the worst about everything that comes out of Trump’s mouth, or the worst about anybody, really.

I would challenge the media one day to look at somebody they don’t like and try to assume the best of their comments.

But I cannot believe that they are actually interviewing experts.

(mockingly) "So, just tell us, you can’t put Clorox [bleach] injected into your body, can you?" (All laughing) This is actually a news cycle. Other stuff is going on. This is hilarious.

Jesse: (laughing) I think that Lysol released a statement on social media. ... I am having Dr. Birx on my weekend show, and I was like, "you were there, do you think that the president would say anything dangerous?" And she said no, he was probably, as he does, thinking out loud and trying to come up with a good idea. And talking to the person at DHS.

Emily (talking like, you know, a complete California, like, airhead):All right, you guys, It’s how Heather number one was killed in Heather’s, (All laughing)I fell like it’s pretty obvious that you should not drink bleach or the like.

Los Angeles and Maryland have literally reported that they have been inundated with calls, their public health agencies of people inquiring about it. So who knows. But I think it is safe to assume, unfortunately now that he has to clarify all of his comments. And I do think, however, the president’s continued comments at the briefings undeniably offer fodder for his detractors to sort of like attack and rediscuss it in the news cycle. And It’s up to his team whether they will make the call that it’s no longer benefiting him.

Jesse: I still think it continues to benefit him, but obviously that was a big distraction, Dana, from some pretty important news from the DHS director of science and technology that outside in the like, or in high temperatures or high humidity, it has a very detrimental effect on the virus.

Dana:Yes, one thing, setting aside all of this and us thinking about the science and developments, there are some companies and scientists that are working on using UV light as a disinfectant for like an airplane, for example, or something that people would go through to touch, when you’re going through the TSA line, and if that is a development that could actually work, that would be a good thing, not just in regards to coronavirus, but for a whole host of things. So hopefully if that development actually does come to pass, nobody is making fun of those scientists, because we do want to have a development here. And it would also say, if I had to take a choice that he was out of context, which he was. or sarcastic, I would say taken out of context because the media is always looking for that.

It’s one thing about the media, but it’s another one, I think the social media, like the individual people and immediately there is memes and there's fun and everyone jumps on it. That’s going to happen if you don’t have a really tight announcement, but it’s not who he is.

He was not suggesting that people drink bleach ( Jesse off screen laughing), but the companies were not putting out statements because of what the president said. Because if somebody does it, they will get sued. So that’s another reason that you do that (sniggering), because you have to worry about your own situation when the media comes after you next, because somebody decides to do something with your product that was inappropriate.

Greg (stuttering): I noticed in one of the company is responding to reporters asking about it. It was like the reporters went to the head media saying, can you, whatever, can you -- this is unsafe, so it was the next layer of the story. We also have to remember that when Donald Trump talked about sunlight and talked about the summer and the seasons changing, that was declared as nonscientific. Remember? (long pause)Am am I just remembering that?

Dana: what is strange is why is Singapore seeing an uptick? I feel like every day, like today we got six new symptoms from the CDC. We find out more that there is actually an increase in Singapore. It’s hot and humid there. I feel like we still don’t have enough information, and we are five weeks into this and we all want to get back to work and back to the city.

Greg:Everyone could be indoors. And maybe they're not social distancing, and not taking it as seriously as we are.

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#2471253 25-Apr-2020 18:53

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Looks like the Trump presidency now has its own official candle.

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#2471258 25-Apr-2020 19:12

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Aides and allies making concerted effort to get Trump to stop doing daily briefings

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/24/politics/white-house-briefings-coronavirus/index.html

Lets look at the UK, Europe and Asia for trade and travel. Its beyond a joke

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#2471287 25-Apr-2020 20:26

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The New York Times - Opinion - Injections of Bleach? Beams of Light? Trump Is Self-Destructing Before Our Eyes

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Tens of thousands of Americans die; what does the president do? Spreads bad information. Seeds false hope.

Reinvents history, reimagines science, prattles on about his supposed heroism, bellyaches about his self-proclaimed martyrdom and savages anyone who questions his infallibility.

In lieu of leadership, grandstanding. In place of empathy, a snit. And he’s going to get re-elected? ...

According to the polling average as of late Friday afternoon, 52.5 percent of Americans disapprove of his job performance. Only 43.4 percent approve. ...

Other numbers tell an even scarier story for Trump.

In all three of the battleground states that enabled his Electoral College victory three and a half years ago, he’s currently behind Biden - by 6.7 percentage points in Pennsylvania, 5.5 in Michigan and 2.7 in Wisconsin, according to the averaging of recent polls by RealClearPolitics. That website also puts him behind by 3.2 points in Florida, a state he won in 2016 and must win again. ...

He’s Houdini, he’s Scheherazade, he’s all the escape artists of history and fiction rolled into one and swirled with golden-orange topping.

He’s lucky beyond all imagining. But here’s the thing about luck: It runs out. ...

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#2471328 25-Apr-2020 22:42

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No-one wants this more than me, but why does everyone keep turning to the polls as some kind of beacon of hope. They weren't exactly right the last time around. Why should they be any better this time?

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#2471355 26-Apr-2020 07:37

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Bloomberg: Trump Organization, Written Out of U.S. Bailout, Taps Europe Aid

...Overseas businesses owned by U.S. President Donald Trump can tap government funds meant to help retain workers. In the U.S., by contrast, they’re specifically written out of the enormous U.S. economic relief package. The result is a potentially stark gap between how workers in different countries may weather the crisis, even within the same global operation.

In the U.K. and Ireland, where Trump owns three money-losing golf resorts, companies can tap enough government cash to pay most of their workers’ salaries.

...Social-media blowback has been swift against deep-pocketed owners who could arguably weather the crisis without seeking state handouts. These include Victoria Beckham, the former Spice Girl who reportedly furloughed as many as 30 employees at her money-losing luxury fashion label.

...“The huge tab for this will be borne throughout the whole population through higher taxes,” said Ford, a longtime critic of the Trump resort. “If what he says about his personal wealth is true, Trump doesn’t need the money, and I don’t see why U.K. taxpayers of the future should be helping him out.”

...Although the Trump family business was explicitly prohibited from benefiting from federal aid authorized in the last few weeks by Congress, its hotel in Washington is seeking separate relief on $3 million of annual rent that it pays to the U.S. General Services Administration for use of a government-owned former post office, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

...The Irish wage subsidy program, which has been up and running for several weeks, pays companies to cover 70% of furloughed staff’s weekly take-home pay, subject to a cap, as long as they’re kept on the payroll. For the lowest earners, the government will cover as much as 85% starting next month. A separate Irish program allows individuals who’ve lost work because of the pandemic to claim a weekly payment.

The U.K. formally launched a similar program on Monday to cover 80% of workers’ salaries capped at 2,500 pounds ($3,100), receiving applications from more than 140,000 companies on the first day.

Companies in both countries must apply for the funds on behalf of their employees and are encouraged to make up the difference so workers can get their full salaries.

...Trump Turnberry in Scotland is applying to tap the U.K. bailout funds for employees, according to Peter Henderson, a local elected official who lives near the resort and has spoken to workers there.

...Trump has invested several million dollars over the past decade to buy and revamp the three resorts in Scotland and Ireland, which have continued to lose money, according to their government disclosures. It’s unclear whether Trump has financed the resorts through bank loans or the Trump Organization’s cash flow.

His Aberdeen resort lost more than 1 million pounds in 2018, the last year for which results are available. ... Trump’s Doonbeg resort in Ireland, which he bought in 2014, lost 1.5 million euros ($1.6 million), in 2018... His flagship Turnberry resort lost 10.8 million pounds in 2018...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/trump-organization-written-out-of-u-s-bailout-taps-europe-aid

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