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#1846186 14-Aug-2017 10:09

They reckon Peter Dunne may be marginal. Vote him in, Party Vote to National, that's two bites from one seat. This election might be reallt tight, so a lost seat is a 2 seat swing

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#1846192 14-Aug-2017 10:17

I am not a fan of National but my real interest here is in seeing Dunne sent to pasture. I hate his brand of politicians for life. His one-man party is just a rort of the system to insure permanent perks as a forever Minister. His avarice disgusts me. If he was just an MP serving his constituency it wouldn't be so bad.

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#1846214 14-Aug-2017 10:30

Rikkitic:

I am not a fan of National but my real interest here is in seeing Dunne sent to pasture. I hate his brand of politicians for life. His one-man party is just a rort of the system to insure permanent perks as a forever Minister. His avarice disgusts me. If he was just an MP serving his constituency it wouldn't be so bad.

He actually serves his constituency reasonably well, which is more than can be said for many others.

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#1846218 14-Aug-2017 10:41

Rikkitic:

I am not a fan of National but my real interest here is in seeing Dunne sent to pasture. I hate his brand of politicians for life. His one-man party is just a rort of the system to insure permanent perks as a forever Minister. His avarice disgusts me. If he was just an MP serving his constituency it wouldn't be so bad.

The other loss if Dunne goes in the area of drugs policy - he's one of the few relatively open minds in the current govt to a more rational approach to drugs in NZ.

If National gets back into power without him that's the loss of this unlikely cheerleader in drugs policy reform, which will be unfortunate given there's likely to be anyone within National who's willing to push a similar approach.

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#1846232 14-Aug-2017 10:59

Rikkitic:

I am not a fan of National but my real interest here is in seeing Dunne sent to pasture. I hate his brand of politicians for life. His one-man party is just a rort of the system to insure permanent perks as a forever Minister. His avarice disgusts me. If he was just an MP serving his constituency it wouldn't be so bad.

Mr Dunne is not a list MP he is a constituency elected MP and as such is directly elected by the folks in his area. It is their choice as for whom they vote. If he does not get elected this election that too is the choice of the constituency.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1846234 14-Aug-2017 11:00

Yes, but he has been there forever and he hasn't achieved anything, other than a public health disaster with synthetics. He starts talking it up when an election looms, but nothing ever improves. He has had his chance.

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#1846237 14-Aug-2017 11:02

MikeB4:

Mr Dunne is not a list MP he is a constituency elected MP and as such is directly elected by the folks in his area. It is their choice as for whom they vote. If he does not get elected this election that too is the choice of the constituency.

His constituency is controlling what happens to the rest of the country. How democratic is that?

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#1846238 14-Aug-2017 11:02

Rikkitic:

Yes, but he has been there forever and he hasn't achieved anything, other than a public health disaster with synthetics. He starts talking it up when an election looms, but nothing ever improves. He has had his chance.

But again that is the choice of the folks who live there. Over the years ha has actually done very good work and has had very good support in the electorate.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1846239 14-Aug-2017 11:02

gulfa:

Therefore it is my belief that a change of political approach after several years (2-3 elections) is a good thing for any country. This way the left and the right can be catered for.

I can understand your point of view, but surely you can understand the need for both parties to have a minimum level of competence and maturity/stability before you introduce the notion of "it's my turn now" thinking? For instance, if I was driving along the motorway with my 12yo neice it wouldn't be smart to let her drive after several kilometres so that both genders can be catered for.

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A balance needs to be kept to ensure that the gap between the rich and the poor does not widen any further otherwise who knows what will happen. Look overseas at countries where there are huge gaps between the rich and the poor.

This is a commonly rolled out statement... Have you got any data or reference to back up the assertion that inequality is increasing? The most frequently used measure of income inequality shows this flat or slightly decreasing over the past 20 years.

Reference: The New Zealand Initiative

Contrary to what the public is continually told, disposable income inequality has not trended up since the mid-1990s on the most commonly cited measure (the Gini coefficient). Market income inequality has actually trended down. (Figures 4 and 5.) The paradox is that newspaper headlines featuring inequality have risen more than 8-fold in the last decade.

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#1846241 14-Aug-2017 11:03

It is what our entire political system is based on......The House of Representatives

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#1846305 14-Aug-2017 12:52

The Capitalism vs Socialism difference. This seems to be what divides us as voters. As said earlier we all need each other. The lawyer needs the rubbish collector as well as the court system. The top sports and entertainers need us as the consumers to buy and support their products. But the ridiculous amount of money some of these people are earning has got to a stage where it needs to reach some balance. Perhaps the only way you can do this is through a taxation system. If it wasn’t for the consumer where would these people be? Surely there must be a level where people who are earning these huge amounts of money should stand up and say enough is enough (as many do even here in NZ, Bill Gates as an example). How much do you need or are they just plain greedy. Do people like myself really need a tax handout. Wouldn’t this be better spent in Education, Health or Police?
Education must be the key to solving most of our problems. Once you educate people you can’t hold them back. Look at how it has changed the communist world. I believe that this is the answer to cure many of the Middle East problems. Educate the women especially. Let them see what it is like living in a democracy. Technology will play a huge part in this.
Here in New Zealand our education system must address the problems we are having in our society. Introducing tougher laws does not work. The huge increase in people who are homeless and struggling to survive has grown. Comments about them not helping themselves etc are not curing the problem. In my early life I can’t remember ever seeing people sleeping on the streets or not having somewhere to stay. Now it is a common site in many towns and cities.
We should be educating our young children. Just because your parents are crooks you don’t need to follow them. We need to break the cycle. We know that huge % of people who end up in jail reoffend within short periods of being released. Some are able to reform and give something back to the community. This is usually because of a successful education program. It may take a generation to get this situation back to an acceptable level but we must try a different approach as what we are doing at the moment is not working. That is why this time I will be voting for a change.

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#1846430 14-Aug-2017 14:52

gulfa:

The Capitalism vs Socialism difference. This seems to be what divides us as voters. As said earlier we all need each other. The lawyer needs the rubbish collector as well as the court system. The top sports and entertainers need us as the consumers to buy and support their products. But the ridiculous amount of money some of these people are earning has got to a stage where it needs to reach some balance. Perhaps the only way you can do this is through a taxation system. If it wasn’t for the consumer where would these people be? Surely there must be a level where people who are earning these huge amounts of money should stand up and say enough is enough (as many do even here in NZ, Bill Gates as an example). How much do you need or are they just plain greedy.

I'm not sure I'm understanding you here? Are you suggesting that we need to change the tax system (effecting everyone) because 0.001% of the population are too successful? There is so much wrong with this logic I'd better check before I go ahead and state the obvious...

(BTW - there's no one in NZ with even 1/5th the amount of money that Bill Gates has...)

(BTW2 - Bill Gates has done more to improve the wellbeing of impoverished nations than anyone else I can name - the annual giving just from the Global Health initiative of the Gates foundation is on the same scale as the UN's World Health Organisation. ie. the rest of the world combined!)

gulfa:

Education must be the key to solving most of our problems. Once you educate people you can’t hold them back. Look at how it has changed the communist world. I believe that this is the answer to cure many of the Middle East problems. Educate the women especially. Let them see what it is like living in a democracy. Technology will play a huge part in this.
Here in New Zealand our education system must address the problems we are having in our society. Introducing tougher laws does not work. The huge increase in people who are homeless and struggling to survive has grown. Comments about them not helping themselves etc are not curing the problem. In my early life I can’t remember ever seeing people sleeping on the streets or not having somewhere to stay. Now it is a common site in many towns and cities.
We should be educating our young children. Just because your parents are crooks you don’t need to follow them. We need to break the cycle. We know that huge % of people who end up in jail reoffend within short periods of being released. Some are able to reform and give something back to the community. This is usually because of a successful education program.

On this, I agree with you completely.

gulfa:

It may take a generation to get this situation back to an acceptable level but we must try a different approach as what we are doing at the moment is not working. That is why this time I will be voting for a change.

The real question is what change? If you consider the past 35-ish years we've had an almost 50:50 split of Labour-lead and National-lead governments. By advocating for "a change" the only real alternative is a new Labour-lead government which will in-fact be reinforcing the pattern of NZ politics for the past two generations.

An actual change from our recent history would be a 4th term government.