Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.
To post in this sub-forum you must have made 100 posts or have Trust status or have completed our ID Verification



View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | ... | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | ... | 18
networkn
Networkn
32349 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1842980 9-Aug-2017 18:09
Send private message

I wasn't likely to vote Greens this election anyways, but even after she has quit, the damage done to the Greens by Shaw in defending her and carrying on the way he did a couple of days ago, has completely ensured I will not. He also needs to step down in my opinion. Nothing less would do. 

 

I find it most surprising she came out yesterday saying she wouldn't resign for any reason and today quits. I don't think they have a clue what is going on, and it deeply concerns me.

 

The dazzling lack of foresight by their advisors in the way this whole thing has been handled is unbelievable. A person with even a modicum of decency would have advised a much better course of action. A simple speech acknowledging the mistake, showing remorse, acknowleding how bad it looked and that she felt it was the right thing to do at the time for her family, but upon reflection she understands how wrong it was and what kind of example that has set, offering to resign but making a statement to the effect that they intended to do something to ensure that others didn't feel they needed to do the same would have been quite effective. 

 

 




MikeB4
18435 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted

  #1842986 9-Aug-2017 18:45
Send private message

It may well be terminal for this Green party, hopefully a new party will come from this.


Pumpedd
1759 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1842987 9-Aug-2017 18:46
Send private message

According to the radio there is more to come on this story including photographs of her and her partner sharing the house together. So she is clearly a very dishonest person who should have quit parliament totally.

 

A lesson here for all....honesty is the best policy....and the sooner the better.




allio
885 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1843007 9-Aug-2017 19:36
Send private message

Not sure what you guys are talking about but she has removed herself from the party list so will almost certainly be gone after the election. As there are 45 days left in this term, I'm not really sure why you're baying for more blood.


networkn:


I wasn't likely to vote Greens this election anyways


I'll say.


but even after she has quit, the damage done to the Greens by Shaw in defending her and carrying on the way he did a couple of days ago, has completely ensured I will not. He also needs to step down in my opinion. Nothing less would do.


Seriously. What next? Should the party just file their formal paperwork to disband now, according to you?


Pumpedd
1759 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1843015 9-Aug-2017 19:48
Send private message

allio:


Not sure what you guys are talking about but she has removed herself from the party list so will almost certainly be gone after the election. As there are 45 days left in this term, I'm not really sure why you're baying for more blood.


networkn:


I wasn't likely to vote Greens this election anyways


I'll say.


but even after she has quit, the damage done to the Greens by Shaw in defending her and carrying on the way he did a couple of days ago, has completely ensured I will not. He also needs to step down in my opinion. Nothing less would do.


Seriously. What next? Should the party just file their formal paperwork to disband now, according to you?



I read that she only quit as co-leader...


michaelmurfy
meow
13240 posts

Uber Geek

Moderator
ID Verified
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1843016 9-Aug-2017 19:52
Send private message

I know this is a politics thread but keep it civil please. We're watching...





Michael Murphy | https://murfy.nz
Referral Links: Quic Broadband (use R122101E7CV7Q for free setup)

Are you happy with what you get from Geekzone? Please consider supporting us by subscribing.
Opinions are my own and not the views of my employer.


DaveB
1139 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1843017 9-Aug-2017 19:54
Send private message

allio:


Not sure what you guys are talking about but she has removed herself from the party list so will almost certainly be gone after the election. As there are 45 days left in this term, I'm not really sure why you're baying for more blood.


networkn:


I wasn't likely to vote Greens this election anyways


I'll say.


but even after she has quit, the damage done to the Greens by Shaw in defending her and carrying on the way he did a couple of days ago, has completely ensured I will not. He also needs to step down in my opinion. Nothing less would do.


Seriously. What next? Should the party just file their formal paperwork to disband now, according to you?



I think Shaw has summed up everything bad about the green party as it stands now. Disband? Ruthless perhaps, but a good starting point. His inability to take a strong, but correct stand against Turei has shown a culture that is pervasive in that party. 


Thankfully that rotten apple Turei has resigned as co-leader "due to family intrusion" - (blame everybody - else not me). 


 
 
 

Cloud spending continues to surge globally, but most organisations haven’t made the changes necessary to maximise the value and cost-efficiency benefits of their cloud investments. Download the whitepaper From Overspend to Advantage now.
Batman
Mad Scientist
29760 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1843024 9-Aug-2017 20:05
Send private message

So she steps down ...

 

But what happens with the MPs that left? Join Labour?


Batman
Mad Scientist
29760 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1843025 9-Aug-2017 20:06
Send private message

michaelmurfy:

 

I know this is a politics thread but keep it civil please. *We're watching...

 

 

*Does the Robert de Niro two finger pointing ....


networkn
Networkn
32349 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1843026 9-Aug-2017 20:10
Send private message

allio:

 

Not sure what you guys are talking about but she has removed herself from the party list so will almost certainly be gone after the election. As there are 45 days left in this term, I'm not really sure why you're baying for more blood.

 

 

Perhaps you should pay attention. It's pretty clear why we think what we think.

 

 

 

 

Seriously. What next? Should the party just file their formal paperwork to disband now, according to you?

 

 

No, I don't think the party should disband. There is an important part for Greens to play in NZ, but they need to sack their leader who has handled this situation appallingly (to say in the nicest possible way) and for them to stop acting in their own self-interest as activist loners and understand they are present to represent their voters which involves behaving in a suitable manner, and playing nicely with others (including forming alliances with the parties who hold bigger votes than them, in the interest of having their views heard and in getting concessions consistent with their policies in exchange for compromise on ideas that other parties hold important).  The fact they have lost damn near 50% of their support shows they are failing miserably with their current agenda and behaviour. 

 

The Greens need to stop acting like children with hurt feelings and accept this situation WAS bad, she DID need to go, and they DID need to handle it differently and if they don't learn to work to some degree within the NZ political system *and* show accountability, their credibility and therefore all the good they could achieve will be gone.


Wiggum
1199 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1843029 9-Aug-2017 20:17
Send private message

Good result.

 

I see in the latest polls that the Greens have lost a lot of ground. They could have saved themselves if they got rid of her in the beginning.

 

allio:

 

Not sure what you guys are talking about but she has removed herself from the party list so will almost certainly be gone after the election. As there are 45 days left in this term, I'm not really sure why you're baying for more blood.

 

 

She has only stepped down from her leadership roll in the greens. So I take it she is still with the greens, and will still be campaigning for her electorate? Not sure though? In other words can still end up back in parliament! If that is the case, well then NO its not good enough.


MikeB4
18435 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted

  #1843041 9-Aug-2017 20:40
Send private message

networkn:

 

allio:

 

Not sure what you guys are talking about but she has removed herself from the party list so will almost certainly be gone after the election. As there are 45 days left in this term, I'm not really sure why you're baying for more blood.

 

 

Perhaps you should pay attention. It's pretty clear why we think what we think.

 

 

 

 

Seriously. What next? Should the party just file their formal paperwork to disband now, according to you?

 

 

No, I don't think the party should disband. There is an important part for Greens to play in NZ, but they need to sack their leader who has handled this situation appallingly (to say in the nicest possible way) and for them to stop acting in their own self-interest as activist loners and understand they are present to represent their voters which involves behaving in a suitable manner, and playing nicely with others (including forming alliances with the parties who hold bigger votes than them, in the interest of having their views heard and in getting concessions consistent with their policies in exchange for compromise on ideas that other parties hold important).  The fact they have lost damn near 50% of their support shows they are failing miserably with their current agenda and behaviour. 

 

The Greens need to stop acting like children with hurt feelings and accept this situation WAS bad, she DID need to go, and they DID need to handle it differently and if they don't learn to work to some degree within the NZ political system *and* show accountability, their credibility and therefore all the good they could achieve will be gone.

 

 

 

 

I agree I hope the Green Party learns from this experience and returns a more mature professional organization that can be a contributor in Parliament. i hope they develop a set of sensible policies that can bring green policies to mainstream government and cause real change for our future.


Batman
Mad Scientist
29760 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1843052 9-Aug-2017 20:52
Send private message

Wiggum:

 

Good result.

 

I see in the latest polls that the Greens have lost a lot of ground. They could have saved themselves if they got rid of her in the beginning.

 

allio:

 

Not sure what you guys are talking about but she has removed herself from the party list so will almost certainly be gone after the election. As there are 45 days left in this term, I'm not really sure why you're baying for more blood.

 

 

She has only stepped down from her leadership roll in the greens. So I take it she is still with the greens, and will still be campaigning for her electorate? Not sure though? In other words can still end up back in parliament! If that is the case, well then NO its not good enough.

 

 

There are 3 kinds of voters in NZ (I think)

 

- National will always vote National

 

- The others vote between NZ First, Labour, Green

 

- Then there are the undecided who are likely to vote NZ First, Labour, Green

 

Ok maybe I don't know what I'm talking about ... !


MikeB4
18435 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted

  #1843056 9-Aug-2017 20:58
Send private message

Batman:

 

Wiggum:

 

Good result.

 

I see in the latest polls that the Greens have lost a lot of ground. They could have saved themselves if they got rid of her in the beginning.

 

allio:

 

Not sure what you guys are talking about but she has removed herself from the party list so will almost certainly be gone after the election. As there are 45 days left in this term, I'm not really sure why you're baying for more blood.

 

 

She has only stepped down from her leadership roll in the greens. So I take it she is still with the greens, and will still be campaigning for her electorate? Not sure though? In other words can still end up back in parliament! If that is the case, well then NO its not good enough.

 

 

There are 3 kinds of voters in NZ (I think)

 

- National will always vote National

 

- The others vote between NZ First, Labour, Green

 

- Then there are the undecided who are likely to vote NZ First, Labour, Green

 

Ok maybe I don't know what I'm talking about ... !

 

 

There is a lot of truth in that. i would add another group, the protest voter, their number varies depending how well we are doing in general.


tdgeek
29740 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1843058 9-Aug-2017 21:04
Send private message

michaelmurfy:

 

I know this is a politics thread but keep it civil please. We're watching...

 

 

Well said. Its a politics forum, and try as we might to discuss issues while putting our own agendas aside, its tough. So I echo the mods post


1 | ... | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | ... | 18
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

Air New Zealand Starts AI adoption with OpenAI
Posted 24-Jul-2025 16:00


eero Pro 7 Review
Posted 23-Jul-2025 12:07


BeeStation Plus Review
Posted 21-Jul-2025 14:21


eero Unveils New Wi-Fi 7 Products in New Zealand
Posted 21-Jul-2025 00:01


WiZ Introduces HDMI Sync Box and other Light Devices
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:32


RedShield Enhances DDoS and Bot Attack Protection
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:26


Seagate Ships 30TB Drives
Posted 17-Jul-2025 11:24


Oclean AirPump A10 Water Flosser Review
Posted 13-Jul-2025 11:05


Samsung Galaxy Z Fold7: Raising the Bar for Smartphones
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Samsung Galaxy Z Flip7 Brings New Edge-To-Edge FlexWindow
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Epson Launches New AM-C550Z WorkForce Enterprise printer
Posted 9-Jul-2025 18:22


Samsung Releases Smart Monitor M9
Posted 9-Jul-2025 17:46


Nearly Half of Older Kiwis Still Write their Passwords on Paper
Posted 9-Jul-2025 08:42


D-Link 4G+ Cat6 Wi-Fi 6 DWR-933M Mobile Hotspot Review
Posted 1-Jul-2025 11:34


Oppo A5 Series Launches With New Levels of Durability
Posted 30-Jun-2025 10:15









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.