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#3252381 24-Jun-2024 11:26

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That is because the people who know the least always have the most say.
There is that assumption that because you are higher up the food chain than someone else, you know more than they do.
I see this every day.

And my pet theory that procurement processes are broken by design because although we like to say that the cheapest bid won't necessarily be the winner, we all know the people signing the cheques are going to look reallllllly longingly at the cheapest bid. So the bidders keep that in mind when pitching their bids, and we all pay later when the entirely predictable extra costs come back in that were taken out to win the bid in the first place.

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#3253334 26-Jun-2024 09:25

Thank god the party of Good Financial Management are in charge now.

Maritime Union national secretary Carl Findlay said industry sources had confirmed that the $551m locked in for two new rail-enabled ferries under iRex was now unrealistic. He said the cost for two new ferries, not equipped for rail, would now be closer to $900m.

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#3253394 26-Jun-2024 09:57

The shipbuilder having work stalled on the eve of construction is not going to take this lying down.
They would have turned down other work, organized materials, contractors, all the aspects of the design.
Sure they would do us a solid and take a stonking loss.

Delays in any large project, especially of this magnitude, in an inflationary environment and costs go up.

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Transport Minister Simeon Brown on Tuesday was asked about the alleged $300m cancellation costs and $900m for two new ferries but referred questions to shareholding ministers. Asked to confirm whether the iRex contracts had been cancelled, he would only say a process was “underway”.

State Owned Enterprises Minister Paul Goldsmith, one of the shareholding ministers, refused to discuss the cost to cancel the contract and would only say the Government was “working our way through” cancelling the iRex contracts.
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#3253396 26-Jun-2024 10:02

Our money is safe with National in charge.

(That was sarcasm if you didn't detect it)

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#3253422 26-Jun-2024 11:22

SaltyNZ:

Thank god the party of Good Financial Management are in charge now.

So in your opinion, how many billions should we have let the port-side infrastructure you need to even use the ships blow out by, before we accept that the whole process has been a mess, including as noted by Robertson, the initial work that justified them and the repeated escalations in costs that KR were on-notice about (and that Robertson had already indicated he would not cover the total cost of, meaning Kiwirail would need to take on extra debt to see the project through to completion?) - and that was at $2.6b, not the $3b Willis was asked about less than a month after she'd been briefed on $2.6b.

Because we seem to want to hear an awful lot about the boats in isolation and there's almost zero interest in talking about the huge blow-outs port-side and the fact that KR had already been rebuked by Robertson, I'm guessing because it's a means to an end for people to take pot shots at National.

But yea, I'm sure they would have just totally suddenly started getting it right, and the cost escalations to date were down to... I don't know... wind resistance.

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#3253427 26-Jun-2024 11:41

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So in your opinion, how many billions should we have let the port-side infrastructure you need to even use the ships blow out by, before we accept that the whole process has been a mess,

You don't fix someone else's incompetence by being incompetent.

I've only been to Christchurch a couple of times, and even then I went directly from airport to hotel to Vodafone switch site and back, but I am under the impression there are a bunch of people living down there. God knows why, it's cold. But given that, we either we have to suck it up and pay what it costs to have a ferry service or we tearfully kiss them goodbye, tell them we love them, and then erase them from history.

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#3253428 26-Jun-2024 11:43

SaltyNZ:

GV27:

So in your opinion, how many billions should we have let the port-side infrastructure you need to even use the ships blow out by, before we accept that the whole process has been a mess,

You don't fix someone else's incompetence by being incompetent.

I've only been to Christchurch a couple of times, and even then I went directly from airport to hotel to Vodafone switch site and back, but I am under the impression there are a bunch of people living down there. God knows why, it's cold. But given that, we either we have to suck it up and pay what it costs to have a ferry service or we tearfully kiss them goodbye, tell them we love them, and then erase them from history.

Maybe what we need is a road....

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#3253429 26-Jun-2024 11:48

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Maybe what we need is a road....

Somewhere in Papakura, Simeon Brown just experienced a shiver down his spine and broke out into a sweat.

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#3253431 26-Jun-2024 11:54

SaltyNZ:

sir1963:

Maybe what we need is a road....

Somewhere in Papakura, Simeon Brown just experienced a shiver down his spine and broke out into a sweat.

Perhaps we can use all the mine tailings from Shane Jones mining to "fill the gap" so a roading will work.

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#3253434 26-Jun-2024 11:56

SaltyNZ:

You don't fix someone else's incompetence by being incompetent.

I've only been to Christchurch a couple of times, and even then I went directly from airport to hotel to Vodafone switch site and back, but I am under the impression there are a bunch of people living down there. God knows why, it's cold. But given that, we either we have to suck it up and pay what it costs to have a ferry service or we tearfully kiss them goodbye, tell them we love them, and then erase them from history.

It is not a binary choice between a blank cheque to cover endless cost-blowouts and having no ferry service at all.

Again, Kiwirail were already on notice from Robertson over the cost increases, and he had already savaged them for underscoping the initial work required in their analysis to make the ferry option they chose stack-up.

If you want to talk about incompetence, you are making some serious leaps in logic to look past all of this to lump the blame on National for saying 'enough is enough'. I am more convinced than ever that Robertson would have eventually made the same choice - would that be 'careful economic management'?

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#3253444 26-Jun-2024 12:18

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But given that, we either we have to suck it up and pay what it costs to have a ferry service or we tearfully kiss them goodbye, tell them we love them, and then erase them from history.

We've hankered after independence for a long time.

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#3253447 26-Jun-2024 12:23

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SaltyNZ:

But given that, we either we have to suck it up and pay what it costs to have a ferry service or we tearfully kiss them goodbye, tell them we love them, and then erase them from history.

We've hankered after independence for a long time.

Welcome to Sovcit hell...

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#3253456 26-Jun-2024 12:52

SJB:

We've hankered after independence for a long time.

We'll miss you guys. Well, some of us will.

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#3253464 26-Jun-2024 13:27

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SJB:

We've hankered after independence for a long time.

We'll miss you guys. Well, some of us will.

Without the South Island and the cook strait cable I'd love to see how the North Island would survive the pretty much immediate catastrophe of running out of power.

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#3253469 26-Jun-2024 13:31

JPNZ:

Without the South Island and the cook strait cable I'd love to see how the North Island would survive the pretty much immediate catastrophe of running out of power.

Other countries import power. It should be straightforward.

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