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Fred99

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#2614832 2-Dec-2020 15:46

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Rikkitic:

Bribe for presidential pardon investigation. Whatever could that be?

Ghislaine Maxwell would be my guess. Lots of money, and the holder of many damaging secrets. After pardoning her, Trump can then rant about how she was a victim, the Clintons were the real paedophile villains, and his cult will lap it up.

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#2614877 2-Dec-2020 16:49

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The Washington Post - Swing-state counties that used Dominion voting machines mostly voted for Trump

today

In broad strokes, the conspiracy theory goes something like this:

Voting machines provided to counties by Dominion Voting Systems allowed a national conspiracy involving both Democrats and Republicans to flip votes cast for President Trump to ones for President-elect Joe Biden. ... as a result, Biden was fraudulently elected president. ...

Reasons why that theory is nonsense:

Republican electoral officials would not conspire against Trump.
There is absolutely no evidence to support this theory.
Trump did better in counties that used Dominion systems than in those that did not:

A review of 10 key states (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) finds that Dominion systems were used in 351 of 731 counties.

Trump won 283 of those counties, 81 percent of the total. He won 79 percent of the counties that didn’t use Dominion systems. ...

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#2614890 2-Dec-2020 17:26

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Sideface The New York Times - Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani...Presidential pardons, however, do not provide protection against state or local crimes.

I believed it's been mentioned already, but you have to be convicted of a crime before you are pardoned.

If Giuliani is pardoned, it's admitting he committed a crime, so my guess is he'd be disbarred as a lawyer. It's small consolation, because I can't imagine anyone hiring him as a lawyer ever again.

Regarding his children, I don't think they been convicted a of a crime yet. As mentioned, only federal crimes can be pardoned by a President. (State crimes by state governors.)

There's many cases that are at the state level waiting on 20 January, in particular in New York. Trump's pardon won't help. It may even prejudice a jury, but hopefully not to the point of a mistrial.

It's widely known that federal prisons are nicer than state prisons So if his devil-spawn get thrown in prison, they would have been better off if daddy did nothing.

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#2614893 2-Dec-2020 17:37

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kingdragonfly: I believed it's been mentioned already, but you have to be convicted of a crime before you are pardoned.

And only under Trump would we even need to know about/make distinctions like those...

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#2614894 2-Dec-2020 17:41

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I believed it's been mentioned already, but you have to be convicted of a crime before you are pardoned.

Unfortunately not. In modern history, Nixon was pardoned for all crimes he "may have" committed against the USA while President.

The issuing of a pardon imputes guilt, accepting a pardon is a confession of guilt. That was Ford's "excuse" to the people for doing something thoroughly corrupt for a mate who was a criminal. He should have been locked up. If that had been a precedent set , the entire Trump nightmare might never have happened.

Issuing such blanket pardons is a huge and terrible error IMO. Inviting absolute and total abuse of power. I have no idea how SCOTUS may see it.

There's an awful lot of smoke - the fire must be serious.

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#2614899 2-Dec-2020 17:56

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Blanket pardons and self pardons have never been tested in SCOTUS.

If you wondered why the rush to get ACB confirmed as SC justice in record time immediately prior to an election the polls were indicating Trump would lose, then consider that Trump wouldn't give a damn personally about abortion laws or gun laws. But he sure as hell doesn't want to be locked up, nor see his evil spawn locked up. So it was a win-win as far as he was concerned as it also suited McConnell/Pence and all the theocrats and fascists in the GOP.

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#2615333 3-Dec-2020 08:31

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General Flynn (retired) - pardoned by Trump for crimes he committed against the USA - calls for the President to suspend the constitution, invoke martial law and have the US military "oversee" a new election.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a34846863/michael-flynn-trump-military-coup-suspend-constitution/

What the F*** is wrong with these people?

When they read comic books and watch superhero movies and westerns, can't they mentally connect someone "doing all the bad things all the time" with "actually being the bad guy"?

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#2615337 3-Dec-2020 08:41

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FWIW, if Flynn's tweet isn't enough to tie him to the seditious "We The People" movement - here's Flynn's twitter profile:

Apparently they took out a full page ad in the Washington Post with their message calling for a military coup. That included calls for Trump to shut down the press. Yet the Washington Post allowed them to run the advertisement (as they've done before, citing freedom of speech / first amendment).

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#2615341 3-Dec-2020 08:46

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Well that is thoroughly alarming. I hope someone gets arrested for this.

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#2615345 3-Dec-2020 08:50

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Is anything OK in the name of free speech in the Ununited States?

Inciting a military coup/rebellion is OK?

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#2615376 3-Dec-2020 08:56

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Is anything OK in the name of free speech in the Ununited States?

Inciting a military coup/rebellion is OK?

Why wouldn't it be? They practically fetishise the fact that their country was born in an armed revolution. Rebellion is a core American character trait.

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#2615377 3-Dec-2020 08:56

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Roll on 20 Jan

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#2615381 3-Dec-2020 09:01

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Rikkitic:

Well that is thoroughly alarming. I hope someone gets arrested for this.

If Flynn wasn't "retired", then military law...

A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

Charging civilians with sedition for talking abject BS probably isn't smart. If they actually pick up guns, then that's another story.

Anyway, I think Biden is doing the right thing. If he gets involved, it'll make matters worse. He's said he won't go after these people, but won't stand in the way (of DOJ etc). Barr's sent a very clear signal - he's distancing himself from Trump's wild claims of fraud. Trump world is falling apart - and becoming increasingly desperate.

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#2615390 3-Dec-2020 09:18

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SaltyNZ:

Why wouldn't it be? They practically fetishise the fact that their country was born in an armed revolution. Rebellion is a core American character trait.

Note also that the ad says "if legislators, courts, and congress do not follow the constitution, then..."

This was written or endorsed by L Lin Wood.

He seems like a bit of a Saul Goodman, smart but dumb - to the point of being entertaining. He called for Georgia Republican voters to boycott the Georgia runoff elections - which if his advice was followed would cost the GOP their senate majority. Spectacular stupidity. Look on the bright side - if these idiots succeed with their "Tea Party - the sequel" "We The People" movement, it'll tear the GOP to shreds. That's good, because Biden is going to need some GOP votes in senate if he's going to get anything useful done.

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#2615395 3-Dec-2020 09:24

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Don't forget there are crazy self-appointed armed militia groups all over the country just waiting for a call to arms. Something like this could easily set them off. It is criminally irresponsible in the current mood when half the country has been convinced that Biden stole the election anyway. I predicted the possibility of blood in the streets at the beginning of all this. That may yet happen.

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