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kingdragonfly
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  #2615658 3-Dec-2020 15:34
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Making Rudy Gulliani look competent by comparison.

Last 24 hours news about insane Trump conspioracy lawyer Sidney Powell

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Law and Crime: Wisconsin Federal Judge Picks Apart Sidney Powell and Lin Wood’s Lawsuit in ‘Brutal’ Order

The federal judge presiding over Sidney Powell and L. Lin Wood’s lawsuit challenging Wisconsin’s election results issued a ruling on Wednesday that reads like a laundry list of embarrassing procedural failures and omissions, highlighting what could well represent the nadir of post-election legal ineptitude.

Filed Tuesday in Wisconsin’s Eastern District, the complaint—which asked the court to direct the state to declare President Donald Trump the winner of the 2020 election—proved immediately problematic, as one of the named plaintiffs stated that the attorneys used his name without permission.

“I learned through social media today that my name was included in a lawsuit without my permission,” Derrick Van Orden, who recently lost his bid for the House of Representatives, wrote Tuesday. “To be clear, I am not involved in the lawsuit seeking to overturn the election in Wisconsin.”

Things only got worse from there...

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Bloomberg: Sidney Powell’s Dominion Quest in Georgia Gets Expedited Appeal

Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell’s attempt to force Georgia officials to allow a forensic examination of voting machines that she claims are central to a vast and implausible election fraud conspiracy will get an expedited review from the federal appeals court in Atlanta.

Powell appealed after a judge declined to immediately grant her request for a temporary restraining order forcing audits of Georgia’s Dominion Voting Systems Inc. machines, which she claims have ties to “communist money” and the late Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez. The court on Wednesday granted her emergency motion to expedite briefings on whether it will even hear the case at such an early stage....

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Forbes: Trump’s Allies Can’t Decide Whether To Boycott Georgia’s Runoff Elections

Trump is flying to Georgia on Saturday for a rally with Republican Senators... in a pair of tight races Jan. 5 that will determine which party controls the Senate next year.

But during a bizarre Wednesday afternoon rally in Atlanta, former Trump campaign attorney Sidney Powell suggested voters should stay home in future elections unless officials commit to various ballot security measures, many of which are either already in place in Georgia (like voter ID rules) or rooted in evidence-free conspiracies about foreign vote-rigging.

Lin Wood, an attorney who has worked alongside Powell to file longshot election lawsuits in Georgia, told rallygoers Wednesday they should only vote for [the Republican candidates] if they “earn” their votes by pushing the state legislature to reverse the election’s outcome, handing Georgia’s electoral votes to Trump.

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  #2615661 3-Dec-2020 15:36
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The Washington Post - It’s already too late for Trump

 

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By the time President Trump released a lengthy recorded speech Wednesday delineating his various false and debunked claims about fraud in the presidential election, it was already too late.

 

He insisted it wasn’t, of course.

 

There is still plenty of time to certify the correct winner of the election,” he argued, “and that’s what we’re fighting to do.”

 

But there wasn’t still plenty of time. That’s not just in the sense that, over the past month, he’s been unable to provide any evidence to bolster his claims of fraud. ...

 

As he spoke, five of the six states that Trump has repeatedly focused on with his unfounded claims of fraud - Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin - had not only certified their results but also transmitted formal certificates of ascertainment to the National Archives with the seal of the state’s governor. 

 

And that, by itself, essentially closes the door.

 

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  #2615777 3-Dec-2020 17:22
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It's not just Trump but a raft of enablers who seem to be very happy to see Democracy Die in the Open.
They don't need fancy subterfuge and leaving Democracy Dying in the Dark.

 

Michael Flynn Wants Trump To Declare Martial Law And Redo The Election
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-flynn-martial-law-new-election_n_5fc7d3e6c5b6f3fe59724a45

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Flynn, who had been awaiting sentencing for lying to the FBI about his Russian contacts before Trump’s pardon, on Tuesday retweeted a news release from a right-wing Ohio group called We The People Convention asking the president to declare martial law so troops can supervise a do-over of the 2020 election.

 

Flynn tagged many conservative celebs in his post and added: “Freedom never kneels except for God.”
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Republican party future seems to be charted, and given USA is 'first past the post' change within will be slow if at all.
One can see even if Trump tires, the next candidate runoff will be full of people trying to be more Trump than Trump.


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  #2615830 3-Dec-2020 18:03
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cyril7:

 

networkn:

 

Out of interest, is someone with knowledge of such a thing, able to explain the big spikes in the graphics he was holding up? I would have thought it fairly unusual to be counting votes at those times of the day, I don't dispute the findings, I was just curious.

 

 

I had just assumed they worked all through the night and a batch of postal votes (that are supposed to favour Biden) would have been counted. Could be wrong

 

Cyril

 

 

Counting in-person votes starts when polls close, reasonably steady as here, and with different polling stations reporting partial counts at different times.
The "spikes" are mail-in ballots being reported.  I believe in some (most?) states these envelopes were opened before polls close.  As they're opened then the signatures are verified by comparing with electronic records on the voter registration database, but they're not counted.  They're stuck in a pile, and fed into a machine for counting - very fast (think bank-note counting fast) - so that's the "spikes".  So they recount, in case the machine made mistakes.  It didn't.  So they invent all other reasons why the election was "stolen" - they can't match the envelopes to the ballots any more - so they pick on that as "evidence of fraud".  It's many levels of crazy.

 

Republicans tend to vote early and in person.  They're keen, and they believe Covid is fake news.  Exit polls confirm the obvious,  More democrat voters tend to vote by mail in, out of state votes tend to favour Democrats.  It's a big difference - IIRC in Pennsylvania about 80% of mail in votes were Democrat votes. That's why the charts had initial leads for the GOP gradually whittling away. 

 

Then Trump's BS claims about Michigan / Detroit and perhaps Wisconsin.  He campaigned strongly in 2016 to discourage the black vote by claiming the Dems had cheated them, they hadn't selected Bernie, so don't vote - and many bought it - the black voter turnout was terrible.  Big problem because only 10-15% of blacks vote for the GOP, and Trump has been attacking BLM, doing nothing for poverty in the cities, bitterly attacking loved black sports stars (ie for "taking the knee") and locking children up in cages.  This time they voted in record numbers. 

 

Trump is delusional.  There's no significant fraud - he lost.  He lost the popular vote, he lost the presidency.  There's no doubt. And he deserved to lose.  The only remarkable thing is that everybody knew - or should have known after 4 years of him - that this is how he'd behave, and yet ~70 million voters were okay with that.


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  #2615846 3-Dec-2020 19:03
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The Washington Post - The most petulant 46 minutes in American history

 

today

 


It was four weeks distilled to less than an hour. ...

 

It was, almost literally, a distillation of the past four weeks of rants, allegations and accusations, including countless examples of claims which have already been soundly debunked. ...

 

The essential question of the moment is how far Trump wants to go. ...

 

Was the speech a lengthy vent, an airing of grievances without peer in American history? 

 

Or was it a sign Trump will continue to want to push the understood boundaries of what our electoral system allows?

 

 

 

 





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  #2615849 3-Dec-2020 19:13
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Until January 20th, any day he doesn't do anything destructive is a good day.





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  #2615870 3-Dec-2020 20:10
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Tinkerisk:

 

Until January 20th, any day he doesn't do anything destructive is a good day.

 

 

How many times are we going to have to flush to remove the last traces?


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  #2615884 3-Dec-2020 20:26
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Fred99:  How many times are we going to have to flush to remove the last traces?

 



 

"People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times."  Donald Trump, 07 Dec 2019

 





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  #2615885 3-Dec-2020 20:27
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Is he talking about toilet flushing and dishwashing again?




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  #2615925 3-Dec-2020 23:19
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/biden-transition-trumps-grievances-feed-menacing-undertow-after-us-election/2SMPD3E73TFTEP7N2Q6GD7WRNQ/

 

 

This week Joe diGenova, a Trump campaign lawyer, told a radio show that the federal election official who was fired for disputing Trump's claims of fraud "should be drawn and quartered. Taken out at dawn and shot."

 

 

 

 

 

DiGenova later said he was joking. The fired official, Christopher Krebs, wrote in an Op-Ed in the Washington Post: "My lawyers will do the talking, they'll do it in court. ... They're going to be busy."

 

 

So some nobody who's a mate of Trump's says that someone who called the election not in Trump's favour should be shot.

 

Then he turns around and says he was joking.

 

Christ, that was funny. So funny I forgot to laugh 🙄 seriously mate, bugger off and get a life. Your hero lost, get over it, do him a favour and tell him to stop acting like a crybaby.

 

Mind you, I just knew if Trump lost, this is exactly what he would do.

 

Imagine if he'd won? "Oh, that was a great election. The most wonderful and fairest the entire world ever has and ever will see. All because I won."


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  #2615950 4-Dec-2020 07:19
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quickymart: This week Joe diGenova, a Trump campaign lawyer, told a radio show that the federal election official who was fired for disputing Trump's claims of fraud "should be drawn and quartered. Taken out at dawn and shot."


Being conservatives and being funny seem mutually exclusive.

"Get off my lawn, or I'll blow your head off... Ha ha... Did you see the expression on his face? Doesn't know how to take a joke!"


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  #2615973 4-Dec-2020 07:57
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Trump raised US$170 million since the election:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raises-more-than-150-million-appealing-to-false-election-claims/2020/11/30/82e922e6-3347-11eb-afe6-e4dbee9689f8_story.html

This is all based on his continuing fraud, claims and appealing for money for court cases and appeals. The small donors don't know most of it is spent on other things.

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  #2615984 4-Dec-2020 08:26
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Yep, as mentioned pages ago - only money AFTER a certain threshold would be used for legal costs. Everything under would be used for the campaign and personal expenses.

 

The grift is running high because those are the last few months to make money off idiots.





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  #2616107 4-Dec-2020 09:02
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The Washington Post - Wisconsin Supreme Court declines to hear Trump campaign challenge to election results

 

breaking

 


The Wisconsin Supreme Court on Thursday declined to take up a challenge to the presidential election filed by President Trump’s campaign, finding that under state law, it should have sought a hearing first in a lower-level court. ...

 

The refusal of the state’s highest court to take up Trump’s petition is a new blow to Trump’s foundering efforts to overturn the election - and a particularly stinging rebuke, given that conservatives hold a 4-to-3 majority on the elected panel.

 



 

... and another one bites the dust ...   🙃





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  #2616108 4-Dec-2020 09:03
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Trump like all con men uses his victims (his 'marks') darker tendencies
  • fear
  • gullibility
  • naïveté
  • vanity
  • irresponsibility
  • greed
Let's be frank. If Trump didn't take their money, another cult leader would.

It's easy to dismiss them or joke about them, but with patience, we can perhaps slowly wean them away.

Insider.com: The 3 main personality traits of cult leaders, according to a cult-recovery therapist

...There are three main types of cult leaders that rise to power. Some are self-centered narcissists, while others have delusions that they believe so deeply, they're able to get others on board too.
  1. delusional martyr ("shared psychotic disorder")

  2. hard-and-fast narcissist

  3. preacher-turned-egomaniac
I think Trump matches the first two type.

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