Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2616202 4-Dec-2020 10:11

kingdragonfly: ... There are three main types of cult leaders that rise to power. ...

delusional martyr ("shared psychotic disorder")

hard-and-fast narcissist

preacher-turned-egomaniac

I think Trump matches the first two types.

Agreed. 1+2 = POTUS45

re type 1. delusional martyr AKA "shared psychotic disorder" or "Folie a deux"

74 million Americans voted for Trump.

So not just "Folie a deux" but "Folie a soixante-quatorze millions" 😕

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#2616251 4-Dec-2020 10:46

Washington Post: Most Republicans greet Trump’s push to overturn the election with a customary response: Silence

Three Senate Republicans have publicly criticized President Trump’s effort to overturn election results in states that he lost. A couple more have acknowledged that President-elect Joe Biden is likely to be sworn in as the 46th president on Jan. 20, without addressing Trump’s actions.

The rest did what many Republicans have done for four years when faced with Trump’s brazen, sometimes outlandish actions: They said nothing, or tried to avoid the issue.

Their response, or lack of it, served to harden one of the party’s legacies of the Trump years: its complicit silence, which has not only made GOP lawmakers appear subservient to the president but has contributed to a notable shift in the party toward conspiracy theories and away from facts. Only this time, their collective refusal to speak up comes at an unusually perilous moment for American democracy — as a president takes the unprecedented step of wielding the powers of his office to try to subvert the will of the voters....

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#2616269 4-Dec-2020 11:06

Washington Post: Kayleigh McEnany isn’t aware of anything

From the last "briefing" from the White House Press Secretary

I’ve heard no mention
you will be the first to know it.
I’m not aware
I’ve heard no mention
I’ve not heard any discussions
I haven’t spoken to him about that
I’m not aware of any heads-up
I’ve heard no discussions of that
Let me follow up
I haven’t spoken with the president specifically
I’ll leave that to the president
I’m not going to speculate
Yeah, he’s made no assessments, at least in my presence, about that
Not that I’m aware of
I’m not aware of any plans

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#2616293 4-Dec-2020 12:16

Does any one believe he will be punished at all for his actions at all? Or just allowed to fade into nonexistance again?

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#2616307 4-Dec-2020 12:56

tehgerbil:

Does any one believe he will be punished at all for his actions at all? Or just allowed to fade into nonexistance again?

Biden has said he's not getting involved - he's not going to push for investigations or pressing charges, nor interfere with what the DOJ (and other federal agencies) decide to do.

That's federal of course. If he pardoned himself (or resigned the day before the 20th, and Pence pardoned him) then he still faces charges in New York, and probably more to come. DOJ has blocked subpoena's on the basis of Barr's argument that a sitting president can't be charged with crimes, only impeachment, which is a futile process when the Republicans have a senate majority. Once he's "citizen Trump", then much more evidence may come out.

Then there's things like Deutsche Bank's possible involvement in funnelling loans to Trump from Russia. DB will probably feel more inclined to spill the beans after 20 Jan.

The last thing that Trump will do is "fade into nonexistence". He leads a cult with tens of millions of members. He might not be able to steal money donated to his campaign for personal use, but he sure as hell can use it over the next few years to keep his cult faithful.

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#2616315 4-Dec-2020 13:09

tehgerbil:

Does any one believe he will be punished at all for his actions at all? ...

Remember Al Capone

This notorious crime boss was never convicted of organised crime, despite being guilty as sin, BUT ...

The federal authorities charged him with 22 counts of tax evasion. He was convicted of five counts in 1931.

He served 8 years of a prison sentence before dying of a stroke.

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#2616316 4-Dec-2020 13:10

And, and then, the judges wouldn't listen to the story about the dog.

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#2616329 4-Dec-2020 13:40

tehgerbil:

Does any one believe he will be punished at all for his actions at all? Or just allowed to fade into nonexistance again?

I think he's going to prepardon evrything and everyone. but after he destroys the govt and brainwashes half america with more lies.

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#2616349 4-Dec-2020 14:48

Hilarious: "Philly’s Four Seasons Total Landscaping dishes the dirt on the news conference heard ’round the world: ‘It was nothing we anticipated’"

These days, Marie Siravo can’t go anywhere without everybody knowing her business.

She was a thousand miles from home, in a Naples, Fla., Homegoods checkout line last month, when a woman recognized Siravo’s strong Philadelphia accent and said, “How about that landscaping company?”

I said, ‘I am that landscaping company,’” she replied, laughing.

And now, when Siravo, 65, goes to work at the unassuming one-story redbrick industrial building on State Road, home to Four Seasons Total Landscaping for the last 20 years, “not a day goes by where there’s not a crowd outside.”

But things are different now for everyone at Four Seasons Total Landscaping after President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani hosted an off-the-rails news conference there one sunny Saturday morning in early November.

Elsewhere in Philadelphia, a ballot-counting Groundhog Day persisted. As workers tallied votes inside the Pennsylvania Convention Center, American-flag-wielding Trump supporters gathered behind barricades outside. Across the street, revelers squeezed accordions, tossed confetti, waved signs, and danced, while international press huddled and the world gritted its teeth awaiting Philadelphia’s vote count — a crucial number in a crucial swing state during the 2020 presidential election.

But 10 miles away, life at Four Seasons Total Landscaping that week centered less on the Electoral College and more on leaf cleanup and snow-removal contracts, as Siravo and her team prepared for winter.

That was, until the Trump campaign came calling.

The phone rang around 8:45 a.m. Saturday, interrupting Sean Middleton’s Bible study in Doylestown. A Trump campaign staffer told the director of sales they were surveying areas along the I-95 corridor, asking if the company would be willing to host a news conference.

“We thought it was nonchalant,” he said. “It wasn’t even determined that it would be at Four Seasons Total Landscaping, it was just, ‘Hey, you’re one of the areas.’”

So Middleton drove to Philadelphia to meet Siravo’s son, Michael — the company’s operations manager — and Trump campaign staff at the landscaping office.

After about 10 minutes, Middleton said the Trump staff decided Four Seasons Total Landscaping was the place. By 9:45 a.m., the deal was sealed. “Lawyers Press Conference at Four Seasons, Philadelphia. 11 AM,” the president initially tweeted, before hastily deleting the post.

A new tweet, which would live on in internet infamy, read: “Big press conference today in Philadelphia at Four Seasons Total Landscaping — 11:30am!”

And though the three say they love laughing at social media theories that they conned the campaign into thinking they were a ritzy Four Seasons hotel, “that’s not the case,” Middleton said. “I gave them the address, I said where we were, where they can meet us, and that was that.”

They think the New York Times’ account of the situation is likely the most accurate — that Giuliani and Trump adviser Corey Lewandowski always intended to have the news conference in Northeast Philadelphia where they would be more warmly received, and that, through a garbled game of telephone, it was the president who misunderstood the location. The Trump campaign did not reply to a request for comment.

‘Who knew that our garage doors were going to be the back of every Zoom meeting?’

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#2616365 4-Dec-2020 15:30

"Rasmussen Poll" are a bit "click-baity", and tend to favor Republicans. But still worth a view.

National Survey of 1,000 U.S. Likely Voters

Who is America's biggest enemy as 2020 draws to a close
Russia
China
Iran
North Korea
Trump voters
Biden voters
NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

Voters See Each Other as America’s Enemy

"U.S. voters now regard each other as a bigger enemy than Russia or North Korea and just as dangerous as China.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 24% of Likely U.S. Voters think Biden voters are America’s biggest enemy as 2020 draws to a close. The same number (24%) see China as enemy number one.

Nearly as many (22%) regard Trump voters as the biggest enemy, while 10% view Russia and seven percent (7%) North Korea as the largest threat to the United States. Eleven percent (11%) are more wary of something else. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

A deeper dive finds that 37% of Republicans feel Biden voters are the biggest enemy, just edging the 34% who feel that way about China.

Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats think Trump voters are the biggest threat, far and above the danger posed by all the others.

Voters not affiliated with either major party rate China, Biden voters and Trump voters all equal as threats."

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#2616376 4-Dec-2020 15:55

kingdragonfly: ... Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats think Trump voters are the biggest threat, far and above the danger posed by all the others.

In a way, The Democrat voters are right.

But the real enemy is Trump, not deluded Trump voters.

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#2616413 4-Dec-2020 17:47

WHITE HOUSE SAYS PARDONS WILL BE GIVEN FIRST TO ESSENTIAL FRONTLINE CRIMINALS

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—With fewer than fifty days until the Inauguration, the White House is facing the daunting task of distributing thousands of pardons to those who are desperately in need.

In an effort to insure an orderly rollout of pardons, the Trump Administration announced that the first recipients would be essential frontline criminals.

According to the announcement, essential frontline criminals include all White House staffers and Cabinet members who have spent the past four years receiving improper emoluments, destroying evidence, and subverting democracy.

“These essential criminals have risked imprisonment day in, day out, for the good of President Trump,” the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, said. “They need to be immunized, so that they can continue their important work.”

The announcement immediately raised concerns among frontline criminals, who fear that their swelling numbers, believed to be in the tens of thousands, could mean that there would not be enough pardons to go around.

McEnany, however, sought to allay those fears. “President Trump has invoked the Defense Production Act to ramp up the manufacturing of Sharpies,” she said.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#2616436 4-Dec-2020 18:46

There's a sucker born every minute ...

The Washington Post - Trump raises $495 million since mid-October, including a massive haul fueled by misleading appeals about election fraud

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President Trump has raised $495 million since mid-October, with $207.5 million of it pouring in after Election Day - an extraordinary haul resulting from Trump’s post-election fundraising effort using a blizzard of misleading appeals about the integrity of the vote. ...

That means between Oct. 15 and Nov. 23, Trump raised an average of nearly $13 million per day - a massive amount fueled by a deluge of email and text fundraising appeals sent out by the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, a joint fundraising committee that raises money for the president’s campaign, the Republican Party and Trump’s new leadership PAC, Save America.

The figures were announced by the campaign on Thursday ...

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