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#1994679 12-Apr-2018 10:12

This Government is a disgrace. Last night I heard two things on NZR which made my eyes pop out of my head.

Firstly, someone interviewing who I believe was Coleman (turned on mid-interview), on him apparently "knowing" all about the Middlemore and other hospitals problems (and apparently ignoring them), which he categorically denied. His account and explanation on why he didn't know was very believeable (not because I particularly want to believe him but because he explained the process). DHB heads had his mobile number and were told to contact him if they came across urgent or out of band issues. They had a specific budget for fixing urgent or unexpected issues that easily would have covered this cost. This was never raised with him. Secondly he points out that the select committee that this would have been raised on, occurred the day before this coalition was formed and the current minister knew nothing about it, till the press broke it *5* months later!

During question time, Bridges pointed out to Ardern that they had the money to fix it, why did they keep going on about the fact they didn't know, and just get on with it. Ardern replies, we knew exactly what we were getting and it's why we allocated so much extra money (She mentioned specific extra sums above what National had spent).

If she knew, and they allocated the numbers, why every 5 minutes do we hear that Arden has inherited such a mess and why they will have a grim budget? Either they knew and planned for it, or they didn't and didn't? Labour has contradicted itself over and over re this issue.

Seems like the truth is, they have spent so much money already, that not only do they not have the money they should have, but they are now in the process of panic taxing to generate money for the shortfall.

Labour doesn't seem to understand how to run a country. They don't seem to understand that stuff happens, and instead of whining about how it's the other guys fault, you accept you are in charge and get on with it. They seem more worried about scoring political points than doing their actual jobs.

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#1994744 12-Apr-2018 11:48

networkn:

This Government is a disgrace. Last night I heard two things on NZR which made my eyes pop out of my head.

Firstly, someone interviewing who I believe was Coleman (turned on mid-interview), on him apparently "knowing" all about the Middlemore and other hospitals problems (and apparently ignoring them), which he categorically denied. His account and explanation on why he didn't know was very believeable (not because I particularly want to believe him but because he explained the process). DHB heads had his mobile number and were told to contact him if they came across urgent or out of band issues. They had a specific budget for fixing urgent or unexpected issues that easily would have covered this cost. This was never raised with him. Secondly he points out that the select committee that this would have been raised on, occurred the day before this coalition was formed and the current minister knew nothing about it, till the press broke it *5* months later!

During question time, Bridges pointed out to Ardern that they had the money to fix it, why did they keep going on about the fact they didn't know, and just get on with it. Ardern replies, we knew exactly what we were getting and it's why we allocated so much extra money (She mentioned specific extra sums above what National had spent).

If she knew, and they allocated the numbers, why every 5 minutes do we hear that Arden has inherited such a mess and why they will have a grim budget? Either they knew and planned for it, or they didn't and didn't? Labour has contradicted itself over and over re this issue.

Seems like the truth is, they have spent so much money already, that not only do they not have the money they should have, but they are now in the process of panic taxing to generate money for the shortfall.

Labour doesn't seem to understand how to run a country. They don't seem to understand that stuff happens, and instead of whining about how it's the other guys fault, you accept you are in charge and get on with it. They seem more worried about scoring political points than doing their actual jobs.

Yes I am quite concerned now as they dont seem to have cohesive policies. It is all very haphazard. The hospital buildings issue is a disgrace and is a hospital board issue not a minister issue. It becomes a Ministerial issue once the Minister has been notified of the issue. Seems for many years that Board has not been spending its money on maintenance.

The other issue of the day is exploration . Again this Government believes that by stopping exploration in NZ will fix the worlds issue of global warming. Instead this will hurt motorists yet again with higher petrol prices in the medium term. We are at least 10 years away from looking at stopping exploration. There still is NO viable MASS alternatives.

I still cant believe what they have done with the transport plan. I guess NZ will have to get used to state highways that were designed 50 years ago for another few years.

Their expenditure to date is a disgrace. Their massive spending has for sure made them short of cash for the upcoming budget eg mass spending on students, new Govt department to deal with Pike River...(won't bring them back to life). Massive inquiries at approx. $2Mill a piece and of course $1B/annum for Shane Jones to hand out to his mates.

JA is showing no leadership at all these days and is looking very tired. Only going to get worse.

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#1994745 12-Apr-2018 11:48

oops double post sorry.

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#1994749 12-Apr-2018 11:54

The end of exploration announcement is largely a political dog whistle.

The major economic ramifications won't be felt for years. By which time there will have been changes of cabinet and govt and probably a reversal of today's announcement by the next National government.

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#1994813 12-Apr-2018 13:09

MikeAqua:

The end of exploration announcement is largely a political dog whistle.

The major economic ramifications won't be felt for years. By which time there will have been changes of cabinet and govt and probably a reversal of today's announcement by the next National government.

Nonetheless, it's going to do a large amount of damage to the industry in the meantime.

And bear in mind these two salient points:

1) NZ's private motor vehicle emissions amount to 0.011% of global Carbon emissions.

2) Even if we ban oil exploration in NZ, all that will happen is that we import more expensive oil to meet demand.

...also, an interesting side effect. Gas is used throughout NZ to ensure security of electricity supply. When our existing reserves run out (in 10yrs or so) we will need to resort to burning coal for that purpose. Extra green points there.

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#1994820 12-Apr-2018 13:17

6FIEND:

MikeAqua:

The end of exploration announcement is largely a political dog whistle.

The major economic ramifications won't be felt for years. By which time there will have been changes of cabinet and govt and probably a reversal of today's announcement by the next National government.

Nonetheless, it's going to do a large amount of damage to the industry in the meantime.

And bear in mind these two salient points:

1) NZ's private motor vehicle emissions amount to 0.011% of global Carbon emissions.

2) Even if we ban oil exploration in NZ, all that will happen is that we import more expensive oil to meet demand.

...also, an interesting side effect. Gas is used throughout NZ to ensure security of electricity supply. When our existing reserves run out (in 10yrs or so) we will need to resort to burning coal for that purpose. Extra green points there.

Seems to me to be another pointless policy that will cost the average kiwi in the medium term. It is no surprise business confidence is waning. No doubt this will speed it along. Havnt seen much in the last 6 months to help grow the economy!!!

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#1994848 12-Apr-2018 13:24

Pumpedd:
JA is showing no leadership at all these days and is looking very tired. Only going to get worse.

Perhaps she could ask this guy for a “pick me up?”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11768598

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#1994851 12-Apr-2018 13:32

6FIEND:

Nonetheless, it's going to do a large amount of damage to the industry in the meantime.

I don't actually see much short term damage in what has been announced. Lost opportunities for sure but there will still be plenty of exploration and drilling going on. But I'm not in that sector so I lack expertise.

I'm definitely in the camp that NZ should be a fast follower on climate change. The second mouse gets the cheese and all that.

If the big five total emitters get serious about climate change there will be well developed technology/systems to pick up and therefore minimal changeover costs. If th big five don't get serious it doesn't matter what NZ does, it will be over. It may already be over ...

NZ taking the moral high ground as an first mover won't make much of a difference. It hasn't on any other major global issue.

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#1994854 12-Apr-2018 13:38

MikeAqua:

NZ taking the moral high ground as an first mover won't make much of a difference. It hasn't on any other major global issue.

It seems like JA wants to be "appearing" to be leading the way, even when that is pointless. I am not being snide when I say that.

It feels a little like she wakes up each morning, looks at a list of trending issues and then goes about involving Labour with them.

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#1994858 12-Apr-2018 13:51

MikeAqua:

6FIEND:

Nonetheless, it's going to do a large amount of damage to the industry in the meantime.

I don't actually see much short term damage in what has been announced. Lost opportunities for sure but there will still be plenty of exploration and drilling going on. But I'm not in that sector so I lack expertise.

I too am an external observer. But my understanding is that the lion's share of investment in this industry comes from offshore. That investment seems likely to dry up sooner rather later given that the Govt. has just signalled that it's officially a dead-end street.

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#1994870 12-Apr-2018 14:07

It's starting to feel to me as though they want NZ to resort to some mythical 1950's hidden place like the city in Black Panther where we can all earn $5 a week but it's enough for us to live as though we all earned $5 million a week, the rivers run with milk and honey and the bees say good morning as they fly past.

I see no actual policies intended to grow business in NZ (coming from a protege of the awful Tony Blair, I am not surprised - he is one of the least popular people in the UK these days) but many policies to spend money, often on things not really needed.

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#1994916 12-Apr-2018 15:04

Am I mistaken, or do we drill oil here then send it away to be refined and then pay for it to come back so we can use it in cars etc?

Therefore in theory, if instead, we just paid the difference between the raw cost and the cost of it leaving NZ for refineries, this is our net loss, which presumably may see an increase in petrol costs?

Of course, as I understand it, there is a ban on NEW exploration, this doesn't prevent our EXISTING oil reserves being used. I am unsure about these reserves.

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#1994922 12-Apr-2018 15:29

networkn:

Am I mistaken, or do we drill oil here then send it away to be refined and then pay for it to come back so we can use it in cars etc?

Therefore in theory, if instead, we just paid the difference between the raw cost and the cost of it leaving NZ for refineries, this is our net loss, which presumably may see an increase in petrol costs?

Of course, as I understand it, there is a ban on NEW exploration, this doesn't prevent our EXISTING oil reserves being used. I am unsure about these reserves.

The sweet light crude extracted from Taranaki reserves isn't used by NZ, instead we sell this overseas and import cheaper medium-sour crude and pocket the difference in price.

Existing oil & gas reserves have a relatively short lifespan available, hence major oil & gas companies will review their investments immediately. Companies that use gas (such as fertiliser manufactures) will also review their investment projects.

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#1994923 12-Apr-2018 15:30

I am happy to see the end of oil exploration especially offshore exploration. Some of the locations the previous government was OK with was just plain silly eg Tasman/Golden Bay.

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#1994927 12-Apr-2018 15:41

Reciprocity:Perhaps she could ask this guy for a “pick me up?”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11768598

Clearly that's the rumor someone referred to earlier as the one that Duncan Garner was supposedly hinting at.

Garner has interviewed her live at least once since then and no mention of it.

Imo she would meet 100s of people who could be described as 'sucessful business person' or similar and therefore name suppression for the guy would not affect a journalist raising it. I'm not a legal guy so maybe not.

It's pretty much impossible for an ordinary person to know if there is anything to it. I conclude probably not.

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