Jacinda Ardern - our new PM

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#223904 23-Oct-2017 20:21

In the vein of the Trump and Winston threads... where will Jacinda go with her tall poppy syndrome?
How will she ‘fix’ capitalism?
How can she aim to ‘cure’ child poverty? For e.g. my son makes only $10/week selling our chickens eggs... well below the bread line... how can she help?

Trains? What is the likelihood we’ll all have an OPTION to take a (reliable) train to work in the next 10 years?

Your thoughts?

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#1888242 23-Oct-2017 20:33

She is going to be fantastic. What a relief after nine years of the nats. Looking forward to giving all Kiwis a helping hand, not just the boomers.

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#1888244 23-Oct-2017 20:37

She's all fluff and no substance. A Labour government can't exist without stealing from the wealth creators to give to the economically unuseful.
She claims she won't before 2020 so she'll have nowt much to do.

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#1888245 23-Oct-2017 20:38

I'd say there is an excellent chance I will be able to wander down the road and catch a train to wellington tomorrow :-)

Job done :-)

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On the other issues, the challenge for labour and all other nz governments is that they chase votes by moving to the political centre with an acceptance of neoliberal capitalism. As you can see around the world, the ideas of neoliberal economics have shifted a lot of money from your average man in the street to the already wealthy. The promise of trickle down never happened and we (normal voters) have cottoned on to that lie.

Hence trump, brexit etc.

So TBH I don't think labour will pave the streets with gold but they will make life a little more bearable for some of us.

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#1888247 23-Oct-2017 20:55

Geektastic: She's all fluff and no substance. A Labour government can't exist without stealing from the wealth creators to give to the economically unuseful.
She claims she won't before 2020 so she'll have nowt much to do.

Wow, worried about losing 'your precious' ?

All governments take tax money from those hard done by 'wealth creators' and all governments in countries with an ounce of empathy help those who need it.

I heard bill english promise to elevate 100,000 children out of poverty before the election (that he lost). Is he too left wing for you too?

Face it, she's going to be great. She's going to be much better than charisma free bill english AND what's more, she can pull her own pony tail as much as she likes !!

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#1888286 23-Oct-2017 22:06

PhantomNVD: In the vein of the Trump and Winston threads... where will Jacinda go with her tall poppy syndrome?
How will she ‘fix’ capitalism?
How can she aim to ‘cure’ child poverty? For e.g. my son makes only $10/week selling our chickens eggs... well below the bread line... how can she help?

Your thoughts?

In NZ at least, most social problems can be traced back to high house prices and high rents. And high house prices are caused by the RMA and silly council rules. Yet Labour are highly unlikely to scrap the RMA or carry out the necessary reforms to it.

As for capitalism - it is not the cause of high house prices. As under true capitalism - you have low barriers of entry for new sellers of a product or service. Meaning if existing sellers try to charge too much, someone new will begin selling and undercut the existing sellers.

The housing market however - Council control the min section sizes, whether you can even use the land for housing, Charge massive fees to do even a simple subdivision, Also charge massive fees just to build a new house or another household unit on an existing property without subdividing etc. As well as lots of other rules that have nothing to do with safety, making houses warm and dry or other things that tenants want. And those rules have nothing to do with what buyers want either in a house. As a result, there is lots of land available that is technically possible to be used for housing. But hardly any land available for housing that is both allowed to be used and is also economically viable to be used.

And of course more expensive new houses also drags up the values of secondhand houses.

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#1888319 24-Oct-2017 05:48

elpenguino:
Geektastic: She's all fluff and no substance. A Labour government can't exist without stealing from the wealth creators to give to the economically unuseful.
She claims she won't before 2020 so she'll have nowt much to do.

Wow, worried about losing 'your precious' ?

All governments take tax money from those hard done by 'wealth creators' and all governments in countries with an ounce of empathy help those who need it.

I heard bill english promise to elevate 100,000 children out of poverty before the election (that he lost). Is he too left wing for you too?

Face it, she's going to be great. She's going to be much better than charisma free bill english AND what's more, she can pull her own pony tail as much as she likes !!

TBH I'm not remotely interested in funding other people's offspring.

If you want to lift children out of poverty, stop poor people having them.

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#1888353 24-Oct-2017 08:50

Geektastic:

TBH I'm not remotely interested in funding other people's offspring.

If you want to lift children out of poverty, stop poor people having them.

How are you going to do that?

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#1888357 24-Oct-2017 08:56

I don't know how much Jacinda Ardern will be able to accomplish with all the doom prophesisers and backbiters and naysayers and poor losers out to undercut her at every opportunity, but I hope enough people of good will are prepared to give her a fair go to see if she can help make New Zealand a better place for all of us.

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#1888360 24-Oct-2017 09:01

Aredwood:

PhantomNVD: In the vein of the Trump and Winston threads... where will Jacinda go with her tall poppy syndrome?
How will she ‘fix’ capitalism?
How can she aim to ‘cure’ child poverty? For e.g. my son makes only $10/week selling our chickens eggs... well below the bread line... how can she help?

Your thoughts?

In NZ at least, most social problems can be traced back to high house prices and high rents. And high house prices are caused by the RMA and silly council rules. Yet Labour are highly unlikely to scrap the RMA or carry out the necessary reforms to it.

As for capitalism - it is not the cause of high house prices. As under true capitalism - you have low barriers of entry for new sellers of a product or service. Meaning if existing sellers try to charge too much, someone new will begin selling and undercut the existing sellers.

I keep seeing this comment about the RMA but when we built our house the RMA associated costs were so small to be insignificant. I think we spent more money on the legal fees for arranging our mortgage than we did on RMA compliance. It is often touted by individuals who want to gut the RMA for other reasons and house building seems to be one they think might get people on side.

As for why the free market and capitalism won't build cheap houses it is because there is very little margin in it. Why would a builder or developer spend the time and money to build a low-cost house. When they can invest a bit more and make a lot more margin. They will always seek to maximise profit.

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#1888384 24-Oct-2017 09:42

Geektastic: She's all fluff and no substance. A Labour government can't exist without stealing from the wealth creators to give to the economically unuseful.
She claims she won't before 2020 so she'll have nowt much to do.

Neoliberalism was given an almost carte blanche mandate with one caveat, that the wealth would trickle down. Winston and Ardern are correct in saying our version of capitalism has failed, there are no two ways about it.

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#1888390 24-Oct-2017 09:56

Rikkitic:

I don't know how much Jacinda Ardern will be able to accomplish with all the doom prophesisers and backbiters and naysayers and poor losers out to undercut her at every opportunity, but I hope enough people of good will are prepared to give her a fair go to see if she can help make New Zealand a better place for all of us.

It doesn't appear you really understand how the Government works. Labour/JA doesn't stop ruini.. Err Running the country just because people don't like her or think she is not up to the job. She has the majority of seats at the table so she will pass policies even if no-one wants her to.

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#1888391 24-Oct-2017 09:58

Rikkitic:

I don't know how much Jacinda Ardern will be able to accomplish with all the doom prophesisers and backbiters and naysayers and poor losers out to undercut her at every opportunity, but I hope enough people of good will are prepared to give her a fair go to see if she can help make New Zealand a better place for all of us.

Why give here a fair go? Why does she deserve special treatment?

She has top job.....only one way to go after that and its not up. Its a damn tough and lonely job.

She is on her own..she must either perform as she promises or be rolled by her own colleagues. That is how it works. This is what she chose despite what she may say.

NZ public will give her a certain amount of grace, but she made promises her and her government need to live up to them.

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#1888393 24-Oct-2017 10:00

What I'd like to see is the baseline taken today of what the stats are in the country and see if in a year, or two, how many of those stats have improved.

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#1888404 24-Oct-2017 10:22

Some here, one in particular, are so bursting with outrage that they can't even wait for the actual policy announcements before spewing it. Give the poor woman a chance. By that I mean, let her succeed or fail on what she actually does, instead of doing the Hoskings dance and pronouncing her a hopeless failure before she has an opportunity to do anything.

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#1888408 24-Oct-2017 10:26

networkn:

What I'd like to see is the baseline taken today of what the stats are in the country and see if in a year, or two, how many of those stats have improved.

What are your measures? GDP? Taxation? CEO wage rises? Number of homeless people? Children in poverty? School drop-outs? Wealth disparity? Number of cows? There are lots of stats to choose from.

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