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#1672167 16-Nov-2016 15:33

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Now might be a good time to view The Great Dictator.

This movie was made in Hollywood by Charlie Chaplin in 1940, before the USA entered World War Two.

Chaplin mercilessly lampoons two dictators:

Adenoid Hynkel (Hitler)
Benzino Napaloni (Mussolini)

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#1672222 16-Nov-2016 17:01

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While I agree that some parallels can be drawn with early-mid 1930s Hitler, it most certainly doesn't automatically follow that Trump will proceed down a similar path going forward. In fact I think it is incredibly unlikely.

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#1672229 16-Nov-2016 17:13

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Agreed. Too many countries have nukes now, plus we live in the instant communications era.

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#1672243 16-Nov-2016 17:34

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Trump is only going to succeed if he relinquishes all of his promises,

Thats what I see. I haven't followed much of him the last few days, but the big beautiful wall, it will be great, will be a fence in places, solid other places. He seems to be ok with NATO now, wonder how he will be wot NAFTA, I suspect "there are some good things in NAFTA" The moslem issue, now there are many wonderful moslems. Hillary who dod noting on 30 years, now gave us great service for 30 years. Its a bit laughable really. Reneges, backtracks, dilutes. The voters are getting less and less for there vote. GOP or RNC are running the show, despite his clear drive and talents, he doesn't really have a clue. I think the other day he said, Ive done (whatever he said) but I haven't done this before. His talent requirement now is to pass on all this backtracking, and managing his voters.

End of the day, they got change, a Republican Govt, and I honestly feel that Trump has very little say in what has and will go on.

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#1672247 16-Nov-2016 17:38

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Rikkitic:

Can anyone explain to me the economics of Trump's five trillion dollar infrastructure project? How is he going to pay for it? Do they just print more money and make the dollar even more devalued? Do they borrow it from China while blocking imports from that country and slapping tariffs on everything? Where does that money come from when America is already carrying 20 trillion dollars of debt? Or doesn't that mean anything any more? Is it just numbers and monopoly money?

It got votes. As did other huge sums of money for his tax cuts. No information of the books, but it sounds like a great idea if you say it quickly.

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#1672432 16-Nov-2016 21:59

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Paul1977:

While I agree that some parallels can be drawn with early-mid 1930s Hitler, it most certainly doesn't automatically follow that Trump will proceed down a similar path going forward. In fact I think it is incredibly unlikely.

The ideology and times and circumstances are different, but his methodology is identical.

Most of the world were in denial about Hitler's ambitions.

The budget for the US military machine is more than China, Russia, UK, and Germany combined.

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#1672488 17-Nov-2016 07:30

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This was on Stuff, I thought, wow, what have we done, he is ranting again, post election. But, he wasn't ranting, it wasn't a tirade, and NZ were just words in the tweets. Over over dramatisation, Stuff

President-elect Donald Trump name-checks New Zealand in morning Twitter tirade

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#1672492 17-Nov-2016 07:37

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Paul1977:

While I agree that some parallels can be drawn with early-mid 1930s Hitler, it most certainly doesn't automatically follow that Trump will proceed down a similar path going forward. In fact I think it is incredibly unlikely.

The ideology and times and circumstances are different, but his methodology is identical.

Most of the world were in denial about Hitler's ambitions.

The budget for the US military machine is more than China, Russia, UK, and Germany combined.

I see there are similarities. But, IMHO, he is just a figurehead now. Imagine a group of people (GOP), and all holding him as they move forward, this way Donald. Yes, you can say this, but don't say that. All Presidents have advisors, in this case the advisors will pretty much carry out everything. He has toned down a lot, he has admitted he hasn't done this before, as in its a whole new level for him. He has diluted everything. To me, and now, I see this as purely a Republican Govt, and not a Trump Govt. However, when he meets leaders, talking real issues, that will be a waste of time, and I am sure he will come off to them as "what is he doing here???"

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#1672503 17-Nov-2016 07:46

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Guys guys tirade time on hold. At the moment his plans are to find the most powerful positions for his kids. That should give him some leverage and control over the globe. Putin and Kim Jong Un are on his dinner invite list too don't forget.

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#1672512 17-Nov-2016 08:08

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Paul1977:

While I agree that some parallels can be drawn with early-mid 1930s Hitler, it most certainly doesn't automatically follow that Trump will proceed down a similar path going forward. In fact I think it is incredibly unlikely.

The ideology and times and circumstances are different, but his methodology is identical.

Most of the world were in denial about Hitler's ambitions.

The budget for the US military machine is more than China, Russia, UK, and Germany combined.

You guys should read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (William Shirer) if you can find it in bookstores (also available on Kindle).

By 1932 Hitler's Nazi party had the majority of the German Reichstag. Hindenburg made a deal with the Devil by nominating Hitler Chancellor. When he took power he asked his followers to stop activities against Jews so that everyone against him would think "oh that was just election rethoric".

The German Army did not like Hitler and everyone thought the good old Prussian club would be there to curb any excess but he slowly and surely started replacing the old Prussian generals and colonels with his own friends from the SA.

Basically once elected Hitler played ball until he managed to get full control of the German Reichstag and then the government system was changed to a single party totalitarian platform.

So far from what I've seen this person is doing exactly the same. Big words during campaign, then turn around and change the tone but starts replacing key positions (which all Presidents will do) with people that clearly have no abilities (family) or are too deep in the white supremacist game.

I read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich twice. Once as a kid, in Portuguese, then again as an adult in English. Is not a light book to read (three large volumes) but it changes how you view the politics of totalitarianism.

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#1672515 17-Nov-2016 08:22

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Do you guys really think the US and Trump has parallels to 1930's Germany? I feel and correct me if I am wrong but the conditions existing in 1930's are a lot different now.

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#1672517 17-Nov-2016 08:26

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They aren't. American middle class is feeling the pressure. Racial tension is enormous. The fear of external influences is tremendous. The rich are happy and ignore the poor.

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#1672519 17-Nov-2016 08:28

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I think it has similarities, at least similar tones, which is why the world is aghast that the Americans think he is the better person to lead them.

But the parallels will end there, with Trump getting to keep all those thoughts to himself. I really can't see him deporting (or wiping out) 70% of his citizens. I don't thinik he wants to either. He just wants to start a dynasty to make him and his family the richest peoiple on earth and he needs those citizens he belittled to do the donkey work for him to get that rich.

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#1672520 17-Nov-2016 08:32

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They aren't. American middle class is feeling the pressure. Racial tension is enormous. The fear of external influences is tremendous. The rich are happy and ignore the poor.

IMO, Hitler was ruling Germany. Trump is the ruler, but in reality, and also heavily due to his lack of knowledge, the GOP are ruling. So we see a dilution and backtracks on his mindless rhetoric. Plus, these days, the US cannot be ruled in the traditional sense of the word, its about managing the affairs of the US, rather than being able to do anythoing he wants at any time. I agree, there are a lot of parallels, but its also different. However, that the Repubs have the House and Senate does allow that theoretical possibility to have a lot of power now.

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#1672522 17-Nov-2016 08:37

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In fact, my opinions are summarised like this. His bark is worse than his bite, and in any case he is on a GOP leash.

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