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#3203354 5-Mar-2024 13:16

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so Russia knows everything that was said in a secret meeting between Ukraine and Germany

they probably know a lot more of other things said between other people i think

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/04/what-are-the-implications-of-russias-apparent-interception-of-military-talks-on-ukraine

Just stop it! 😉 Our cucumber squad has made a big fool of itself! Hopefully with far-reaching consequences. But it was an (not so) internal discussion via WebEx(!) about, not with Ukraine. As a former officer, I can only say that we are drifting more and more in the direction of a fair-weather and recreational army. Perhaps I should volunteer my civilian services for internet security and encryption so that I don't have to speak Russian when I really retire? Incredible amateurish for such high-ranking officers!

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#3203391 5-Mar-2024 15:03

The bigger leak is that it's notified the west about Russia's operational capabilities. This is the sort of thing you you never, ever reveal except under exceptional circumstances, e.g. Reagan revealing they'd intercepted Libyan comms to justify the bombing in 1986 which only happened after extensive debate. This doesn't seem like a planned thing but more someone showing off that they've got access to stuff everyone else doesn't, a la Trump.

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#3203432 5-Mar-2024 17:12

neb: The bigger leak is that it's notified the west about Russia's operational capabilities. This is the sort of thing you you never, ever reveal except under exceptional circumstances, e.g. Reagan revealing they'd intercepted Libyan comms to justify the bombing in 1986 which only happened after extensive debate. This doesn't seem like a planned thing but more someone showing off that they've got access to stuff everyone else doesn't, a la Trump.

Well, that's what I thought too, but it's really no great feat to tap into a commercial Webex connection of a panellist who is currently in Singapore on the Internet. A second level of encryption would have been necessary if the first, commercial level could not or should not be trusted.

The British secret service was also successful after the war because they continued to maintain the myth of the unbreakability of our Enigma in the world, although they had long since cracked the code thanks to captured machines and Alan Turing et al. To conceal this, they even accepted major military losses in order not to reveal that they had been able to decipher the code.

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#3203518 5-Mar-2024 22:05

Meantime in USA.

Ex-Army Officer Charged for Sharing Classified Secrets on Dating Site
‘MY SWEET DAVE’
Authorities said David Franklin Slater was arrested after falling for a woman who sent him messages like: “Beloved Dave, do NATO and Biden have a plan to help us?”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-army-officer-david-franklin-slater-charged-for-handing-military-secrets-over-to-woman-he-met-on-dating-site?ref=home

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As a part of his duties, he sometimes attended classified briefings on the war in Ukraine. Around February 2022, Slater began “willfully, improperly, and unlawfully” sharing national defense information over a foreign dating platform, prosecutors said. Referred to as Co-Conspirator 1 in Slater’s indictment, the unidentified woman asked him repeatedly to supply her with “non-public, closely held, and classified” information.

“Dear, what is shown on the screens in the special room?? It is very interesting,” she messaged him on March 11.
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Four days later, she wrote: “By the way, you were the first to tell me that NATO members are traveling by train and only now (already evening) this was announced on our news. You are my secret informant love! How were your meetings? Successfully?”

Three days after that: “Beloved Dave, do NATO and Biden have a secret plan to help us?”

In more messages the next month, the woman thanked her “sweet Dave” for “the valuable information” and shared her hopes that NATO was preparing “a very unpleasant ‘surprise’ for Putin,” adding, “Will you tell me?”
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Obviously this online girlfriend was genuine as she was not asking for Amazon Gift cards.

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#3203564 6-Mar-2024 07:05

Project 22160 Sergey Kotov sunk by three marine drones

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NZD $106,000,000 ship vs
NZD $125,000 drones

The ship cost the same as 14,000 four year Russian university degrees.

Estimated Putin's total net worth to sit between NZ $114 billion and $328 billion

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#3206037 13-Mar-2024 16:56

How popular is Putin in Russia really? | Focus on Europe

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#3207010 16-Mar-2024 19:54

Ukraine frontline: The killer drones changing warfare

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#3207018 16-Mar-2024 20:47

At about 36.06 in video below Greg Terry who does aid drops of everything from medical supplies to drones and more in Ukraine.
He talks about a recent shipment of customised drones where 1000's were sabotaged.

Arriving with a fault that did not show till you flew them where they would immediately go out of range.
Seems traces around antenna connector under a plastic cover were drilled out.

Some spy work to get someone in a position to damage 1000's, enough to make them useless, but pass cursory test and inspection.

Update Ukraine Day 748 With Jonathan Pearce ATP Geopolitics
Greg Terry Experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNo6q3xPTAM

Problem is there is only one country of origin for drone parts in volume, motors, controllers, Rc and video modules etc.

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#3209816 23-Mar-2024 10:56

Colbert on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

"Florida [and former Republican presidential candidate] governor Ron Desantis. Monday night, Desantis released this statement.

'While the US has many vital national interests, becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. '

So you're saying the invasion of a sovereign country and the destruction of entire cities and the shelling nuclear reactors and the attacking civilian targets is a "territorial" dispute?

You were a history major at Yale! Was that the university or the lock company?

Because that's clearly giving aid and comfort to Putin.

And you can tell because his statement was released on a Russian propaganda program, "Tucker Carlson tonight."

Clearly, Desantis is just taking this position to establish his far-right bona fides in his upcoming primary challenge against the former president. "

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#3209827 23-Mar-2024 12:01

Some dead at an attack in Moscow.

Cynical in me says Putin is playing the same plot he used with Chechens years ago, running a false flag.

My reasoning is that Russians attacking on behakfof Ukraine are targeting arms depots and refineries, not civilians.

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#3209836 23-Mar-2024 12:24

freitasm: Some dead at an attack in Moscow.

Cynical in me says Putin is playing the same plot he used with Chechens years ago, running a false flag.

My reasoning is that Russians attacking on behakfof Ukraine are targeting arms depots and refineries, not civilians.

ISIS has claimed responsibility. Whether that is true or not is another matter.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#3209837 23-Mar-2024 12:26

Trump defeated ISIS, didn't he?

/sarcasm

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#3209962 23-Mar-2024 20:31

Rikkitic:
ISIS has claimed responsibility. Whether that is true or not is another matter.

Strange of her to do that, she's supposed to bring the dead back to life, not the other way round.

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#3209989 24-Mar-2024 00:12

Putin dismissed US warnings about a potential terror incident as 'blackmail' just 3 days before concert hall attack (yahoo.com)

Earlier this month, the US embassy in Russia issued a security alert warning about a potential terror attack in Moscow and urged people to avoid crowds, monitor local media for updates, and be aware of surroundings.

"The Embassy is monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and U.S. citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours," the March 7 security alert said.

Putin addressed the warnings a couple weeks later, criticizing the warning three days ago as "provocative."

Per TASS, the Russian president said on March 19 the aim of "the recent provocative statements of a number of official Western structures about the possibility of terrorist attacks in Russia" was harming Russian society.

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#3209992 24-Mar-2024 00:44

I wouldn't believe any propaganda in this case - it's part of warfare on both sides. The only fact is that once again uninvolved civilians were killed, whether they were Russian victims or not. In principle, it could have been any (inofficially) contracted mercenary force. There are plenty of them.

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