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#1859797 6-Sep-2017 16:32

Nothing about that but I'm sure if they were there wouldn't be an issue. As far as I can tell, part of the population is just being written off as too much trouble to bother with. Why in the hell are there no disabled people working in these organisations?

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#1859807 6-Sep-2017 16:34

Disabled are an inconvenient annoyance

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#1861054 8-Sep-2017 17:29

I am getting closer to a decision but have not made one yet. I don't think I will finally decide until I actually cast my vote. I tend to lean towards 'progressive' parties but that is not an absolute for me. I have tried to keep an open mind, but so far no-one has presented an argument I find convincing, or any argument at all, that would persuade me to vote for National, Act, or NZ First. Any other right-wing parties are not even on my radar. TOP intrigues me, but I am unlikely to waste my vote on them. I m...i...g...h...t end up voting for the Maori party again, but I doubt it.

At this moment, I am most likely to vote Green. For those who can see past their obsession with Metiria Turei, the Greens do have some good MPs, and it would be a pity to see them lost to Parliament. If they stay around 5%, I will give them my party vote in the hope of keeping their voice alive. I think it is important.

If the polls indicate that they look like sinking, or they recover a safe margin, I will have to reconsider since I don't want my vote wasted but I also don't want to vote Green if they don't actually need it. In that case I might actually vote for Labour for the first time in my life, just to give them the biggest possible advantage over NZ First. I don't really want Winston Peters pulling the strings for the next three years. Of course, that is also a good reason not to vote National.

What to do what to do? We live in interesting times.

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#1863332 13-Sep-2017 10:18

I am voting early to avoid the trickle on the 23rd. I have made my voting decision and will vote the way I have voted in the last three elections.

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#1864345 13-Sep-2017 11:00

Just to be sure of my choice I decided to take a test using onthefence... Hmmm, nope, I don't think so:

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#1864411 13-Sep-2017 11:48

It wasn't too far off for me. Greens first, then the Maori party, then Labour. I have already decided I will vote Greens this year when I get around to it. I can't think of anything that could happen that will change my mind on that. I have voted for the Maori Party in the past, but didn't like their support of National. But I might have gone with them this time if I hadn't decided to vote Green. I am impressed with Jacinda Ardern and like her style a lot, but don't usually vote for mainstream parties.

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#1864420 13-Sep-2017 12:00

Rikkitic:

I have already decided I will vote Greens this year when I get around to it. I can't think of anything that could happen that will change my mind on that.

From the look of things, any vote for the Greens looks very likely to be a wasted vote. National loves wasted votes. IMO sometimes its better to use your vote wisely against something you really don't support. If you against National then there is only one place to put your vote and I'm sure you don't need my help at working out who that is.

Just my 2 cents, and thats just based on my opinion that the Greens will not be making 5% this year.

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#1864448 13-Sep-2017 12:39

I have already voted

The NZ debt graph confirmed my position available from many sources

I would also like some to explain to me how we can have a surplus when we have to borrow to get this

If I borrow $100.00 to cover my budget for the term and only spend $99.00 is this giving me a surplus.

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#1864466 13-Sep-2017 13:03

gulfa:

I have already voted

The NZ debt graph confirmed my position available from many sources

I would also like some to explain to me how we can have a surplus when we have to borrow to get this

If I borrow $100.00 to cover my budget for the term and only spend $99.00 is this giving me a surplus.

Yup. Debt/Assets go on your balance sheet, profit goes on your P&L. They measure different things.

Worth noting that National's plans pay down debt faster than Labour's, but not by much (a couple of years difference in hitting the same target)

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#1864474 13-Sep-2017 13:26

Wiggum:

Rikkitic:

I have already decided I will vote Greens this year when I get around to it. I can't think of anything that could happen that will change my mind on that.

From the look of things, any vote for the Greens looks very likely to be a wasted vote. National loves wasted votes. IMO sometimes its better to use your vote wisely against something you really don't support. If you against National then there is only one place to put your vote and I'm sure you don't need my help at working out who that is.

Just my 2 cents, and thats just based on my opinion that the Greens will not be making 5% this year.

I find many of your opinions rather uninformed. Apart from that, I believe that the Green voice in NZ politics is more important than your obsession with Muteria Turei's actions. We need the Greens to keep the others from going too far off course and there are some very good Green MPs who would be missed in Parliament. The Greens uphold policies and principles that are important to the future welfare of this country. I think it would be a tragedy for New Zealand politics if they did disappear. I am voting for them because of something I believe in, not because of some cynical desire to manipulate the election result. I could care less what National thinks. I don't let what National thinks dictate my decision-making.

Having said that, I don't think all National policies are bad just because they come from National. There are some things I do support and have supported in the past. But National has had nine years to fix whatever it is going to fix and the country is in a mess if you use any kind of social welfare standard to measure it. I do not want more of the same of this. National has had its chance. It is time to let someone else have a go.

I hope Labour wins and I hope the Greens survive. If this turns out to not be the case, I will accept it and move on. Jacinda Ardern is certainly no Donald Trump, but neither is Bill English. The great thing about this country is that neither choice will lead us to doom. I think National has the wrong priorities and I think Labour has the better - certainly more hopeful - vision, but either way we will do okay. I am just so grateful that I live in a real democracy. Whoever wins I will be drinking a toast to that and adding my congratulations.

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#1864475 13-Sep-2017 13:31

Agreed, I would never vote for them, but Parliament would be poorer for not having the Greens there in some capacity.

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#1864532 13-Sep-2017 14:44

Most of us will get up the next day after the elections and life will carry on, but for some, life problems will still be there. Unless there is a change in attitude from the elected party with both promising all sorts of things, things will only get worse for those less fortunate than many of us, who have comfortable life styles. Education is the real key and until we address this smaller classes and better teachers little will change. This should be a concern for us all. The National Party has lost it "True Blue" colour if we believe some of their new policies Its a shame they didn't move on these earlier I wonder if they will be true to their word. All politicians should always tell the truth surely the message is out there you will eventually get caught out. BE needs to get this message. I wonder what lies hidden in the PIke River disaster with videos appearing and who knew about these. I would have thought that people at the top would be the KEY to this and would have known about these and wonder why they were concealed. I am surprised at the faithful to each party, actually accept and make excuses for their members and try to cover up their lies and mistakes.

Still democracy will rule in few days. Good to read some of the posts and opinions of others and I would like to thank those who were able to discuss the issues at hand and not attack personalities which a couple of posters have done. I have made my choice and will accept whatever happens.

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#1864587 13-Sep-2017 15:55

freitasm:

Just to be sure of my choice I decided to take a test using onthefence... Hmmm, nope, I don't think so:

Apparently I should vote for ACT, then TOP and lastly NZF.

I think not.

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#1864588 13-Sep-2017 15:57

Wiggum:

Rikkitic:

I have already decided I will vote Greens this year when I get around to it. I can't think of anything that could happen that will change my mind on that.

From the look of things, any vote for the Greens looks very likely to be a wasted vote. National loves wasted votes. IMO sometimes its better to use your vote wisely against something you really don't support. If you against National then there is only one place to put your vote and I'm sure you don't need my help at working out who that is.

Just my 2 cents, and thats just based on my opinion that the Greens will not be making 5% this year.

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#1864620 13-Sep-2017 16:51

Hmmm spooky it can read my mind with the exception of NZF and Opportunities.

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