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#1794934 5-Jun-2017 15:15

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I liked this one from the Telegraph comments page.

"I've run out of hashtags, candles and teddies.

Let's get on with the election and hope that whoever wins has the balls to actually do something other than wring their hands and talk."

Given Corbyn's historical support of terrorists (IRA), if he is elected into power we might as well just give up on the UK

Agreed.

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#1794937 5-Jun-2017 15:26

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shk292:

Rikkitic:

What is the possible point of a comment like that?

I'm expressing a political opinion based on my observations of Corbyn's previous associations with terrorists. If you think there is no point in expressing opinions, then you're probably in the wrong virtual place.

So if Corbyn gets elected you want all countries to cease diplomatic relations with Britain, block all trade, disassemble the world financial system, cut off food supplies, refuse to interact with anyone of British nationality, and so forth? Have I got that right? Just give up on the UK?

You should probably familiarise yourself with the English idiom "a figure of speech".

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#1794939 5-Jun-2017 15:46

Rikkitic:

shk292:

Rikkitic:

What is the possible point of a comment like that?

I'm expressing a political opinion based on my observations of Corbyn's previous associations with terrorists. If you think there is no point in expressing opinions, then you're probably in the wrong virtual place.

So if Corbyn gets elected you want all countries to cease diplomatic relations with Britain, block all trade, disassemble the world financial system, cut off food supplies, refuse to interact with anyone of British nationality, and so forth? Have I got that right? Just give up on the UK?

They all said that about Trump, that they'd quit the US ... I don't see anyone leaving!

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#1794950 5-Jun-2017 16:38

Geektastic

You should probably familiarise yourself with the English idiom "a figure of speech".

Haha, no much better to have a little rant and indulge in some hyperbole.

By "give up" I meant, abandon hope of UK getting a grip on terrorism.

I have the same view on appeasing IRA terrorism or Islamic terrorism as I have of Neville Chamberlain trying appeasement. Hopefully that's not a case of Godwin's

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#1794952 5-Jun-2017 16:45

joker97: They all said that about Trump, that they'd quit the US ... I don't see anyone leaving!

Just the smartest who can get out.

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#1794972 5-Jun-2017 17:01

shk292: I have the same view on appeasing IRA terrorism or Islamic terrorism as I have of Neville Chamberlain trying appeasement. Hopefully that's not a case of Godwin's

So following your logic the Good Friday agreement should never have happened?

As Sinn Fein and the Progressive Unionist Party should never have been involved as they were linked to para military / terrorist organisations.

That sounds like what you're proposing to me. Or do I misunderstand that trying to achieve a peace agreement is preferable to boots on the ground to be shot at?

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#1794984 5-Jun-2017 17:34

shk292:

Haha, no much better to have a little rant and indulge in some hyperbole.

By "give up" I meant, abandon hope of UK getting a grip on terrorism.

I have the same view on appeasing IRA terrorism or Islamic terrorism as I have of Neville Chamberlain trying appeasement. Hopefully that's not a case of Godwin's

So "giving up" on the fifth-largest economy in the world, with a population over 60 million, just because someone you disapprove of becomes the democratically-elected leader, is not a case of hyperbole? Interesting use of the term.

How is it that you manage to put Chamberlain, the IRA, ISIS, Corbyn, appeasement and events separated by nearly 50 years of history into the same blender and come out with a milkshake? If you are going to twist facts to suit your prejudices you should at least try to make them semi-coherent. This is not the 1970s. ISIS is not the IRA. I haven't spoken with Corbyn, but I very much doubt he intends to forgive and forget. Are you saying there is no more point in trying to combat terrorism if he wins? That sounds pretty defeatist to me. If that is your thinking, Corbyn might actually have something to teach you.

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#1794987 5-Jun-2017 17:53

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shk292: I have the same view on appeasing IRA terrorism or Islamic terrorism as I have of Neville Chamberlain trying appeasement. Hopefully that's not a case of Godwin's

So following your logic the Good Friday agreement should never have happened?

As Sinn Fein and the Progressive Unionist Party should never have been involved as they were linked to para military / terrorist organisations.

That sounds like what you're proposing to me. Or do I misunderstand that trying to achieve a peace agreement is preferable to boots on the ground to be shot at?

No, the overall peace process was a good thing and its outcome was vastly preferable to the problems preceeding it. But there is a line between negotiating and "buddying up" with terrorist leaders and honouring their fighters, which Corbyn arguably did http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

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#1794988 5-Jun-2017 17:53

My thoughts are with the victims and families. Kia kaha UK

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1794991 5-Jun-2017 17:54

Rikkitic:

So "giving up" on the fifth-largest economy in the world, with a population over 60 million, just because someone you disapprove of becomes the democratically-elected leader, is not a case of hyperbole? Interesting use of the term.

I've already explained what I meant by that. You appear to be deliberately twisting my meaning.

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#1794995 5-Jun-2017 18:18

shk292:

Rikkitic:

So "giving up" on the fifth-largest economy in the world, with a population over 60 million, just because someone you disapprove of becomes the democratically-elected leader, is not a case of hyperbole? Interesting use of the term.

I've already explained what I meant by that. You appear to be deliberately twisting my meaning.

I thought your comment was out of line. I get fed up with these kinds of smug, unsubstantiated, political propaganda swipes. People of all political persuasions and backgrounds need to come together to combat this terrible scourge, not try to score cheap points off each other. If Britain or any other country is to survive, people need to find ways to put their differences aside and work together. I do not believe the election of Corbyn would be the end of anti-terrorism efforts in Britain. He may have different ideas about the way forward, but I do not believe he cares less about his country than anyone else. Cheap shots achieve nothing and do not help us find ways to come together.

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#1794999 5-Jun-2017 18:26

Rikkitic:

shk292:

Rikkitic:

So "giving up" on the fifth-largest economy in the world, with a population over 60 million, just because someone you disapprove of becomes the democratically-elected leader, is not a case of hyperbole? Interesting use of the term.

I've already explained what I meant by that. You appear to be deliberately twisting my meaning.

I thought your comment was out of line. I get fed up with these kinds of smug, unsubstantiated, political propaganda swipes. People of all political persuasions and backgrounds need to come together to combat this terrible scourge, not try to score cheap points off each other. If Britain or any other country is to survive, people need to find ways to put their differences aside and work together. I do not believe the election of Corbyn would be the end of anti-terrorism efforts in Britain. He may have different ideas about the way forward, but I do not believe he cares less about his country than anyone else. Cheap shots achieve nothing and do not help us find ways to come together.

It wasn't intended as a cheap shot; it is my genuine opinion that Corbyn does not have the attitude required to tackle this problem.

I'm afraid you get so indignant, petulant and aggressive every time someone expresses an opinion that steps outside your belief set, that I find you tiresome to engage in debate with. I won't respond to any more of your non-technical posts because it's clear we just wind each other up.

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#1795006 5-Jun-2017 18:42

I don't have a problem with other opinions, just ones that spout nonsense. Your statement that Corbyn does not have the attitude needed is sensible and may well be correct, but that is entirely different from what you said before.

Anyway, I am happy to disengage with you. There are more serious issues to deal with.

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#1795023 5-Jun-2017 19:11

shk292:[snip] ; it is my genuine opinion that Corbyn does not have the attitude required to tackle this problem.[/snip]

It's clear to me that you have a particular solution in mind. I'm thinking it's very similar to the solution proposed by the guy shown attending this Gerry Adams fundraiser in 1995. 10-15 seconds in:

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#1795028 5-Jun-2017 19:26

gzt:
It's clear to me that you have a particular solution in mind. I'm thinking it's very similar to the solution proposed by the guy shown attending this Gerry Adams fundraiser in 1995. 10-15 seconds in:

I think a lot of Americans thought the IRA were just lovable rogues and terrorism wasn't a real issue, before 9-11. I hadn't realised that Trump had been a supporter, but he's so unpredictable, nothing should be a surprise.

I wish I knew what the solution was. I don't think it is vigils and facebook profile backgrounds, nor do I think it is allowing further Islamification of Western society. I did over twenty years in the UK military while the IRA were a persistent threat to service personnel and I'm glad to be in a peaceful place like NZ now. I don't think we need to be importing (literally) middle eastern societal problems into our community.

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