Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#3173735 20-Dec-2023 13:40

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It'll get real messy. Dragging forward Trump-related things faster than they would otherwise happen for anyone/anything else will only reinforce some segments of the population and their belief he's being scapegoated.

Also, somewhat terrifyingly, he's massively outpolling Biden and Nikki Hayley's momentum is starting to fizzle. So not only would be probably win if he does run, the outpouring of grief that could happen if he's banned from standing may make January 6th look like a picnic.

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#3173768 20-Dec-2023 15:29

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You can't rely on polls, especially when they're about an event that won't happen for 11 months.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#3173773 20-Dec-2023 15:50

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Indeed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/many-are-misreading-2024-polls-s-better-way-rcna128120

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#3173811 20-Dec-2023 19:01

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GV27:

It'll get real messy. Dragging forward Trump-related things faster than they would otherwise happen for anyone/anything else will only reinforce some segments of the population and their belief he's being scapegoated. ...

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#3173821 20-Dec-2023 19:36

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The Independent: Melania Trump’s former adviser slams her immigration speech as ‘repulsive’

A former senior adviser to First Lady Melania Trump blasted Melania, her ex-boss’s, citizenship ceremony speech as “repulsive.”

The former first lady made a rare public appearance on Friday, speaking at the National Archives at a citizenship ceremony, celebrating 25 new citizens. Ms Trump, who is from Slovenia, described her own immigration journey as “arduous,” adding that the process turned her life “into a labyrinth of organising paperwork.”

Speaking on CNN, Stephanie Winston Wolkoff called the speech “deceptive, almost deceitful” and said she found her words “lacking of any real meaning.”

Ms Wolkoff continued, “It’s unfortunate because she had an opportunity as the first lady of the United States to make a difference, and she didn’t at all.”

The former senior adviser pointed out that Ms Trump was “the second first lady of the United States of America to ever be an immigrant” and at one point, she “had the opportunity to make such a difference in the lives of so many,” especially because her husband, Donald Trump, “is so against” immigration.

...Ms Wolkoff added that for Ms Trump to “be there under the guise that she cares about America and democracy is untruthful.” She called her former boss’s speech a publicity stunt: “I find it to be really quite repulsive.”

She later pointed out that despite distancing herself from the former president on the campaign trail as of late, Ms Wolkoff described her former boss as “complicit” and is “exactly like Donald, just, unfortunately, in a skirt and high heels, and showing up today was just another way for her to have some camera time.”
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#3173826 20-Dec-2023 20:24

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Same day, different ex-presidents:

"Former President Obama surprises Chicago public school dressed as Santa"

"Trump says he would renege on $3 billion US pledge for Green Climate Fund"

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#3173839 20-Dec-2023 21:06

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Politico: ‘Trump Knows What He’s Doing’: The Creator of Godwin’s Law Says the Hitler Comparison Is Apt

Any time people start fighting on the internet, someone will inevitably reach for the Hitler comparison. It’s a virtually unbreakable rule known as “Godwin’s law,” named after Mike Godwin, an early internet enthusiast who coined it back in 1990. It’s also understood that often the party mentioning Hitler or the Nazis is losing the argument, though that’s not part of the law itself.

Godwin’s law was invoked this weekend when President Joe Biden’s campaign said former President Donald Trump had “parroted Adolf Hitler” when he accused undocumented immigrants of “poisoning the blood of our country.”

But according to Godwin himself, that doesn’t mean Biden is losing the argument.

“Trump’s opening himself up to the Hitler comparison,” Godwin said in an interview. And in his view, Trump is actively seeking to evoke the parallel.

Trump made almost identical comments in an interview with the far-right website The National Pulse in November, around the same time Trump also called his political opponents “vermin” — all rhetoric that Hitler used to disparage Jews.

“You could say the ‘vermin’ remark or the ‘poisoning the blood’ remark, maybe one of them would be a coincidence,” Godwin said. “But both of them pretty much make it clear that there’s something thematic going on, and I can’t believe it’s accidental.”
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#3173912 20-Dec-2023 23:20

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https://politizoom.com/a-lie-is-still-a-lie-engoron-croons-to-trump-in-burn-so-eloquent-it-will-probably-go-over-his-head/ 😁

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#3173918 21-Dec-2023 06:25

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An short opinion piece worth reading in full :

The NY Times - News Analysis - Indicted or Barred From the Ballot: For Trump, Bad News Cements Support <<< unlocked link

20 Dec 2023

It may take weeks to find out whether the decision by the Colorado Supreme Court to declare Donald J. Trump ineligible to be on the state primary ballot will hold. ...

Allies of the former president posted on social media that the ruling was an outrage, one that the U.S. Supreme Court needed to rectify. ...

Since March, Mr. Trump has perfected a playbook of victimhood, raising campaign funds off each indictment and encouraging Republican officials to defend him.

Many - including some who are fearful of Mr. Trump’s hold on the party’s core voters - have obliged. ...

Even people who dislike Mr. Trump intensely feared the ruling to toss him off the ballot will merely help him with a Republican electorate that will see it as interfering with an election, at a time when Mr. Trump is regularly described by Democrats as a threat to democracy. ...

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#3173923 21-Dec-2023 07:23

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While I think it's great news, there's probably nothing to stop voters just writing in his name, is there? Is it still counted as a legitimate vote though?

Also what's he going to do if the Supreme Court upholds the lower court's ruling? Keep sulking and playing the victim (and grifting)?

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#3173929 21-Dec-2023 07:54

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quickymart:

Also what's he going to do if the Supreme Court upholds the lower court's ruling?

I think that's unlikely. Aren't the majority of SC judges bought and paid for?

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#3173940 21-Dec-2023 08:59

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Well the Supreme Court turned over abortion rights because of state rights supposedly; it had nothing to do with being religious zealots, because that would not be separation of church and state.

So they shouldn't have a problem with upholding a state right to kick an insurrectionist off the ballot.

Unless they are the partisan politicians instead of unbiased judges.

Either way, Supreme Court Justice is a life long position, so no fear of retribution.

We'll see if absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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#3173954 21-Dec-2023 09:10

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Apart from that it intrigues me how today's Republicans keep tying themselves in pretzel knots to maintain their hypocrisy. No federal law permitting abortion, that is State's Rights. Oops, gotta have a federal law to ban those abortion drugs in California and other playgrounds of the devil.

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#3173958 21-Dec-2023 09:18

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SJB:

I think that's unlikely. Aren't the majority of SC judges bought and paid for?

All of the Colorado judges were democratic appointees. It's the same game all over.

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#3173961 21-Dec-2023 09:29

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Supreme Court Justices ruling its state rights, unless it's inconvenient.

Reminds me of Trump's New York fraud defense: it's a legal valuation, when convenient. Otherwise an (illegal) disclaimer overrides makes it not a legal valuation..

Here's Trump wanting to keep his cake and eat it too.

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